ID a small logo made of symbolised birds on a wrecked Bf-109

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello, Does anyone has an idea of what this small drawing ( about 3 centimeters) of symbolised birds is supposed to represent ? This drawing is on a metalic part of a Bf-109 that crashed in the Vosges mountains, in France, in May 1944. "Possibly" an 8./JG3 aircraft. Could it be a manufactuer logo ? or a personal logo of a pilot ? A logo of a flying unit ? Kind regards

 

[Snautzer01]

Hello, Does anyone has an idea of what this small drawing ( about 3 centimeters) of symbolised birds is supposed to represent ? This drawing is on a metalic part of a Bf-109 that crashed in the Vosges mountains, in France, in May 1944. "Possibly" an 8./JG3 aircraft. Could it be a manufactuer logo ? or a personal logo of a pilot ? A logo of a flying unit ? Kind regards

What year did it crash? Can just be a part of a camo scheme.

 

[Truffle Pig]

Hello,
In my opinion, this is part of the material identification. This consisted of the material specification and the manufacturer's identification and was printed on the inside of the sheets or semi-finished products. This made it possible to determine the running direction and material specification even for smaller pieces of sheet metal. This is the manufacturer's marking of ALUMINIUMWALZWERKE WUTÖSCINGEN.

 

[ThomasP]

Good catch, Truffle Pig!

I remembered seeing that logo in the past and I thought I remembered that it was a manufacturer's logo, but after looking through my notes and searching online I could not find a match.

 

[SaparotRob]

The depth of knowledge here is astounding.

 

[Wurger]

 

[captain Frey]

Hello, Does anyone has an idea of what this small drawing ( about 3 centimeters) of symbolised birds is supposed to represent ? This drawing is on a metalic part of a Bf-109 that crashed in the Vosges mountains, in France, in May 1944. "Possibly" an 8./JG3 aircraft. Could it be a manufactuer logo ? or a personal logo of a pilot ? A logo of a flying unit ? Kind regards

Hi,
where in the Vosges? I'm curious to know because I live in the Vosges.
And how did you get the dates?

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[Daniel BASTIEN]

What year did it crash? Can just be a part of a camo scheme.

Crashed on May 27, 1944

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hi,
where in the Vosges? I'm curious to know because I live in the Vosges.
And how did you get the dates?

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May 27, 1944. Gerardmer

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello,
In my opinion, this is part of the material identification. This consisted of the material specification and the manufacturer's identification and was printed on the inside of the sheets or semi-finished products. This made it possible to determine the running direction and material specification even for smaller pieces of sheet metal. This is the manufacturer's marking of ALUMINIUMWALZWERKE WUTÖSCINGEN.

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Thank you ; You must be right . If we invert my picture, we have what must be the aluminium manufacturer logo. The Upper part must be an A for Aluminium, and the lower part 2 Ws for Walz and Werk. Again, thank you. The enigma is solved. Best regards

 

[rhale89]

Hello Daniel. Would it be a part of Robert Meyer-Arends bf109 that was shot down near there on that same date? If so, I know a lot about him. He was the same pilot who shot down my grandfathers b17 on May 12th. 1944 number 42107072.

 

[Snautzer01]

Douglas-Long Beach B-17G-35-DL

Delivered Tulsa 12/2/44; Kearney 25/2/44; Grenier 4/4/44; Assigned 710BS/447BG Rattlesden 12/3/44; Missing in Action Brux 12/5/44 with Capt Ken Johnson, Co-pilot: Bill Phelps, Navigator: Harman Chapman, Bombardier: Bob Bloom, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Hugh Brown, Radio Operator: Hamlin Cathey, Ball turret gunner: Frank Tracy, Waist gunner: John Gagliardi, Waist gunner: Tom Kissler,Tail gunner: Leon Addis (10 Prisoner of War); enemy aircraft KOd #2, crashed Lutzellinden, four miles SW of Geissen, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 4774.

Meyer-Arend, Robert Helmut Erich his 12 th victory killed 27-05-1944

Kracker Luftwaffe Archive

A list of all known Axis Powers pilots and crew 1939 - 1945

aircrewremembered.com

 

[rhale89]

Yes that's my grandpas crew. My grandfather was Hugh Brown.

Delivered Tulsa 12/2/44; Kearney 25/2/44; Grenier 4/4/44; Assigned 710BS/447BG Rattlesden 12/3/44; Missing in Action Brux 12/5/44 with Capt Ken Johnson, Co-pilot: Bill Phelps, Navigator: Harman Chapman, Bombardier: Bob Bloom, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Hugh Brown, Radio Operator: Hamlin Cathey, Ball turret gunner: Frank Tracy, Waist gunner: John Gagliardi, Waist gunner: Tom Kissler,Tail gunner: Leon Addis (10 Prisoner of War); enemy aircraft KOd #2, crashed Lutzellinden, four miles SW of Geissen, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 4774.

 

[rhale89]

Yes that's my grandpas crew. My grandfather was Hugh Brown.

Here is a young and an older picture of Robert Meyer-Arend before he died.

 

[Snautzer01]

Yes i added his tombstone and deathdate in my answer.

Kracker has it as his 12 th victory.

 

[Snautzer01]

Yes that's my grandpas crew. My grandfather was Hugh Brown.

Hugh T Brown Jr. Service Numbers: 19000259

 

[Snautzer01]

Victory data: 5 km. S. Giessen: 6.000 m.14.42Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.452

 

[rhale89]

So do you believe it's Robert Meyer-Arends plane crash?

 

[captain Frey]

Do you know exactly where his plane crash ? the name of the town ?