If Axis aircraft swap theater?

[Shortround6]

Ki-48 was quite a bit faster than both Do17 and Blenheim,with comparable bomb load.

You are comparing the Ki-48 II of 1942 with MAX bomb load to planes of 1940 with normal bomb loads.

 

[Nodeo-Franvier]

You are comparing the Ki-48 II of 1942 with MAX bomb load to planes of 1940 with normal bomb loads.

Ki-48 i already have max speed of 298 mph though.

 

[Nodeo-Franvier]

You mean the Ki-30 and Ki-32?

These and also various dive and topedo bomber.

 

[Nodeo-Franvier]

Let also take a look at Barbarossa, The main Soviet fighter was the I-16 which can be considered equal to Ki-27 in spite of heavier armaments,LaGG-3 which was relatively fast but very sluggish,Mig-3 that was lackluster at low attitude and Yak-1.
As for the Japanese Ki-43 was introduce in October 1941.

 

[tomo pauk]

Let also take a look at Barbarossa, The main Soviet fighter was the I-16 which can be considered equal to Ki-27 in spite of heavier armaments,LaGG-3 which was relatively fast but very sluggish,Mig-3 that was lackluster at low attitude and Yak-1.
As for the Japanese Ki-43 was introduce in October 1941.

I'm still at loss on how the Germans gain with by switching to lower-performance fighters that have worse armament and protection, while also fielding bombers without protection and lifting capability.
With much increased losses of pilots/crew in 1939-40, who is going to fly the aircraft for Luftwaffe in 1941?

 

[Nodeo-Franvier]

I'm still at loss on how the Germans gain with by switching to lower-performance fighters that have worse armament and protection, while also fielding bombers without protection and lifting capability.
With much increased losses of pilots/crew in 1939-40, who is going to fly the aircraft for Luftwaffe in 1941?

Things aren't as hopeless as you make it out to be. As I said earlier at the very least the Ki-27 was superior to the M.S.406 and IIRC the bf-109 itself only got self sealing fuel tank in 1942.

 

[tomo pauk]

Things aren't as hopeless as you make it out to be. As I said earlier at the very least the Ki-27 was superior to the M.S.406 and IIRC the bf-109 itself only got self sealing fuel tank in 1942.

Stating that a fighter was better than MS.406 is a damning by a faint praise.
See the Bf 109F (= 1941) with protection, both for pilot and fuel:

 

[Admiral Beez]

Let also take a look at Barbarossa, The main Soviet fighter was the I-16 which can be considered equal to Ki-27 in spite of heavier armaments,LaGG-3 which was relatively fast but very sluggish,Mig-3 that was lackluster at low attitude and Yak-1.
As for the Japanese Ki-43 was introduce in October 1941.

And we need to break the fallacy that introduction date is equal to availability date. Sure, a squadron or two of Oscars may be available in October 1941, but it won't be until well into 1942 before all the front line Nate squadrons are converted to Oscars, some likely having to wait until the Ki-44 Tojo is available. If the Luftwaffe is going into Russia in June 1941 with IJAF aircraft, most of their fighters until well into 1942 will be Nates.

But folks.... what we really want to see is the Germans invade Russia with Japanese tanks.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The LW could also use Japanese torpedo bomber.

The Germans had excellent torpedo bombers in their own right. Including the He-111 and Ju-88 with dual torpedoes.

 

[PAT303]

I don't think 8×.303 machine gun would be as effective as 4×0.50 carried by F4F and P-40.

More effective actually, it worked and so did it's ammunition.

 

[PAT303]

My statement about Japanese fighters (and bombers) carrying more fuel as being the recipe for great range still stands, though. Zero was carrying 535+330L in 1940, vs. the 1-engined fighters of the BoB carrying up to 400L (the drop tank added another 300L to the Bf 109, in late BoB).

Would you want to fly across the channel in a A6M carrying 800L of fuel in unarmored and unsealing tanks against 8 gun Spitfires and Hurricanes?, both the RAF and Luftwaffe were madly fitting both after the Battle of France, their pilots all but demanded it, I'd suggest you have a well organised pilot training program flying the Zero, you are going to need it.

 

[swampyankee]

The Germans had excellent torpedo bombers in their own right. Including the He-111 and Ju-88 with dual torpedoes.

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But not great aerial torpedoes; they used Italian ones to supplement theirs. See List of Torpedoes of Italy - NavWeaps

 

[tomo pauk]

Would you want to fly across the channel in a A6M carrying 800L of fuel in unarmored and unsealing tanks against 8 gun Spitfires and Hurricanes?

No, I'd fly across the Channel in a Spitfire or Bf 109 with 500L of fuel in s-s & protected internal tanks, and 300L in a drop tank.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Would you want to fly across the channel in a A6M carrying 800L of fuel in unarmored and unsealing tanks against 8 gun Spitfires and Hurricanes?,

No thank you. Radar guided interceptors will be led to positions above the Zeros, whereupon they're dived upon and killed before any of the Zero's agility advantages can come into play. Of course the question is why is a naval fighter undertaking this mission, this is Nate, Oscar and Tojo work.

 

[Shortround6]

It might help if people refrained from using time machines.

What Japanese aircraft were really in service in 1940-41? (Hint, no Tojos, among others.)

Germans had crap for torpedo bombers in 1940, of course since they also had crap for aerial torpedoes (both quality AND quantity) in 1940 it doesn't matter too much.

However does anyone know if the Japanese aerial torpedoes of 1939/40 were just as good as the torpedoes of Dec 1941/42???

 

[tomo pauk]

Torpedoes of any kind (working or not) are very low on list of Luftwaffe priorities.

 

[SaparotRob]

They couldn't be worse.

 

[Admiral Beez]

What Japanese aircraft were really in service in 1940-41?

Why do you restrict yourself to 1940-1941? There's no mention in the OP of these specific years.

What do you think would happen if LW operate Japanese plane and vice versa.

The way I read the premise above, the Japanese can have Me 262 and Ta 152. That'll give the unescorted B-29 strikes a scare. No mention of 1940-41.

 

[Shortround6]

You are quite right, the Japanese might have the Me 262 and TA 152 in 1945, but some posters are saying what a difference Japanese aircraft would have made in 1940 for the Germans against the French and British.

BTW the Japanese only made about 50 Ki-44 I aircraft with a single speed supercharger good for 1260hp at 3700 meters. This took until Oct of 1942, granted a small batch had been made in 1941. The KI-44 II didn't start production until Nov 1942 ( prototypes a few months earlier) and the two speed engine offered 1440hp at 2150 meters and 1320hp at 5250 meters.

The KI 44 I aircraft had little or no armor or protection for the fuel tanks, that came on the Ki-44 II model. The Ki 44 held 485 liters if internal fuel so range without drop tanks was not great. It seems to hold little advanage, if any, over contemporary Bf 109s. Like the Gs that showed up in 1942.
Not seeing any advantage in the Ki 44 I over the 109F-4 either.

 

[Admiral Beez]

You are quite right, the Japanese might have the Me 262 and TA 152 in 1945, but some posters are saying what a difference Japanese aircraft would have made in 1940 for the Germans against the French and British.

BTW the Japanese only made about 50 Ki-44 I aircraft with a single speed supercharger good for 1260hp at 3700 meters. This took until Oct of 1942, granted a small batch had been made in 1941. The KI-44 II didn't start production until Nov 1942 ( prototypes a few months earlier) and the two speed engine offered 1440hp at 2150 meters and 1320hp at 5250 meters.

The KI 44 I aircraft had little or no armor or protection for the fuel tanks, that came on the Ki-44 II model. The Ki 44 held 485 liters if internal fuel so range without drop tanks was not great. It seems to hold little advanage, if any, over contemporary Bf 109s. Like the Gs that showed up in 1942.
Not seeing any advantage in the Ki 44 I over the 109F-4 either.

Outside of torpedoes there's pretty much nothing the Germans would want to swap with the Japanese. Fighters? No thanks. By the time the well armed and protected fighters are available the allies are flying better kit. Medium bombers? No thanks. Tanks? artillery? Double no thanks. Signals and encryption? Worse than the Germans, no thanks. Surface navy swap? Yes please.