Israel vs Hamas Conflict 2023
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manta22
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You can add all sorts of other factors as excuses but it boils down to a lack of character.
Wildcat
Major
Guys, as much as its easy to say "kill all terrorists," the only way to defeat a terrorist organisation is to undermine its credibility and legitimacy. In other words, the root cause of terrorism needs to be defeated. Why do people join ranks with terrorists? Why do they choose to fight against a government? What conditions does that person live under that pushes them towards extremism? Usually, it's a lack of education, lack of employment, injustice dished out by a corrupt government or the big reason people choose to fight - oppression. In other words, a government needs to provide conditions to its people that are more appealing than what a terrorist organisation can provide. The more you indiscriminately bomb and kill a population, the more people you are going to funnel into the ranks of terrorism. Terrorists can be defeated on the battlefield, but as long as the political and environmental conditions remain the same, so will terrorists exist.
Sounds touchy-feely I know, but unfortunately, the root causes of terrorism are extremely difficult, sometimes impossible, to overcome. Executions and killing civilians in the crossfire only advance the cause of the terrorists - it's what keeps them motivated to continue the fight.
Sounds touchy-feely I know, but unfortunately, the root causes of terrorism are extremely difficult, sometimes impossible, to overcome. Executions and killing civilians in the crossfire only advance the cause of the terrorists - it's what keeps them motivated to continue the fight.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
Shoot first and ask later, sure.
BTW, we haven't heard much from the Sandinistas lately...
For those hard of history, I'm pointing out that brutal treatment doesn't extinguish a revolt.
But they're in the same genocidal bucket. The crackpots in Iran just picked up with them where the crackpots in Germany left off with them. And just for clarity, I agree they should get fair trials. On conviction, though, death. The Germans gave into the Nazis but we didn't kill them all for it. The Palestinian-Arabs aren't bad people any more than those Germans were. So we agree on fair trials, differ on sentencing. I say give the ones with the hand in it the works. No equivocating. Take part in it, dead. Their body, their choice. I'm an advocate for free choice.
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Thumpalumpacus
Captain
No true Scotsman - Wikipedia
Religion poisons everything, and that is evident in this matter too.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
Simple minds don't care for complex resolutions, unfortunately.
Admiral Beez
Captain
I think I'm done with this thread.
I will close with saying, considering that the true path to peace with a rational Palestinian authority would require Israel to abandon the Occupied Territories and its hundreds of settlements and return the land to its original inhabitants…. an electorally impossible path for any Israeli government; it makes more sense to promote the Arab as monster, terrorist ideal, never to be negotiated with, only killed. That's my last word on the subject.
See you guys on the other pages.
I will close with saying, considering that the true path to peace with a rational Palestinian authority would require Israel to abandon the Occupied Territories and its hundreds of settlements and return the land to its original inhabitants…. an electorally impossible path for any Israeli government; it makes more sense to promote the Arab as monster, terrorist ideal, never to be negotiated with, only killed. That's my last word on the subject.
See you guys on the other pages.
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manta22
Banned
No one has advocated killing innocent civilians. only terrorists. I think it is germane to the subject (no pun intended) to ask why there was no terrorist response from Germany or Japan after the end of the War? In Germany there was the Spinne Organization but it was ineffective and quickly faded away. The general population had simply had enough and they were smart enough to see where their future lay. For this cooperation, they were provided with massive aid to rebuild their country and their culture. The general population in the Middle East has no history of letting others alone and they carry ethnic grudges for a thousand years. I doubt if there is any hope for a lasting peace in the Middle East in our lifetime.
Nope, try again…
Ding, Ding, Ding. Someone who gets it!
Again, we are not talking about carrying a death sentence after being found guilty. That is not up for debate. You kill 100 innocent people, you should get a fair punishment.
We are talking about simple summary executions, which is not the same, and will do nothing but add fuel to the fire.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
Right, and well-put.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
The Palestinian position is clear and unwavering. Until the Jews abandon all occupied territories, there will be no peace. In other words, the complete dissolution of the State of Israel.
As long as they are backed by Iran and numerous other Arab and Muslim states, as well as naive westerners, there is no reason to negotiate. Their propaganda arm has done a wonderful job of painting themselves as victims, in spite of rejecting every peace plan offered over the past 75 years.
So just to come back to this…
I could see Vladolph Putler scheming up a plan with some Middle East Terrorist Group to conduct a large scale Attack on a US target to bog us down in another long drawn out war in order to redirect our efforts away from Ukraine and wherever else he has his eyes set.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
Geopolitical whack-a-mole.
Though this appears on its surface to be Iran disrupting Arab-Israeli rapprochement.
Iran is 100% involved. I still would not put it past Russia being involved as well. Its simply too convenient, and Iran has been supporting Russia.
michaelmaltby
Colonel
Perhaps ... but that the conflict relieves pressure on PUTIN is an unplanned for benefit. The operation has been 2 years in the planning.
Two years ...
www.scmp.com
Discount my source here if you choose but discount the mind of vengeful Islam at your peril.
Two years ...
How secretive Hamas commander masterminded attack on Israel
Israel calls last week’s devastating attack by Hamas its 9/11 moment. The secretive mastermind behind the assault, Palestinian militant Mohammed Deif, calls it Al Aqsa Flood.
www.scmp.com
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Anything is possible.
manta22
Banned
Terrorists are not protected by the Geneva Convention.
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