We'll see, but the connection between Putin and Iran is exactly why I am thinking this. Its just all to perfectly coincidental.
Israel vs Hamas Conflict 2023
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We'll see, but the connection between Putin and Iran is exactly why I am thinking this. Its just all to perfectly coincidental.
Thumpalumpacus
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You'd think Putin would be wary of the law of unintended consequences by now.
sadly the language being used on both sides does not bode well for Civilians caught in the middle of this 
ThomasP
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sadly the language being used on both sides does not bode well for Civilians caught in the middle of this
It does not help that both sides don't consider any civilian on the other side as innocent.
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I think it funny China advocating in a 2 nation state while crushing all minoroties back home.
Admiral Beez
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Paragliders? I guess the Iron Dome needs an upgrade.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9X1wF0c0UQ
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9X1wF0c0UQ
Thumpalumpacus
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The U.S. has already begun delivering critically needed munitions and military equipment to Israel, the White House said Monday, as the Pentagon reviews its inventories to see what else can be sent quickly to boost its ally in the three-day-old war with Hamas.
John Kirby, a spokesman for the National Security Council, confirmed Monday evening that the first batch of military aid in the wake of the violent assault by Hamas militants is "making its way" to Israel.
The delivery came as President Joe Biden prepared to give formal remarks on the attacks from the White House on Tuesday afternoon, after he confirmed that at least 11 Americans were killed in the violence over the weekend.
"We fully expect there will be additional requests for security assistance for Israel as they continue to expend munitions in this fight," Kirby said. "We will stay in lockstep with them, making sure that we're filling their needs as best we can and as fast as we can."
US begins delivering munitions to Israel as American death toll rises
A senior Pentagon official says the U.S. has already begun delivering critically needed munitions and military equipment to Israel.
www.marinecorpstimes.com
manta22
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Did summary executions ever deter others from sleeping on guard duty? History is full of examples of that. If you have no means to resist, then an execution of a terrorist encourages others to not follow the example of their late associate. It isn't 100% effective but it is better than attempting to talk the terrorists to death.
Admiral Beez
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I'd argue it's the inverse. The execution of a terrorist encourages others to follow the example of their late associate. Terrorists are made, not born.
manta22
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"Has the death penalty stopped people from committing murder? Nope." The person who was executed has been stopped from further atrocities.
It is 0% effective. It does nothing but fuel and drive further hatred.
Lets see some great examples of it having any worthwhile effect in deterring future terrorism. We are all waiting.
And no one is saying that actual terrorists should simply be talked to…
And still does not solve your problem.
Unless you fix the root cause instead of sticking your head in the sand, others will follow.
Thumpalumpacus
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You'd best hope you kill an actual terrorist, and only the terrorist, with no innocent casualties. Look at the American experience in both Iraq and Afghanistan for what happens when your approach doesn't go perfectly.
manta22
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It is hard to believe the level of sophistry I'm hearing & reading about this. The level of barbarism that Hamas has not only exhibited but also recorded and broadcast on the internet to publicize their level of cruelty is unprecedented. That such behavior is not soundly and universally condemned is shameful.
Thumpalumpacus
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Of course it's condemned. I sure think it's atrocious and would like to see them rounded up and prosecuted.
That doesn't, however, mean Israel gets a free pass to commit its own crimes. Criticizing Israel is not the same as supporting Hamas. That's an excluded-middle fallacy.
Let me say this for full disclosure…
Terrorists are scum. I place them on the same level as child rapists. I have no issues with killing them in combat, or executing those captured and found guilty in the court of law.
I draw the line with summary executions. Why? We are better than that. We are a civilized society that lives by the rule of justice and law. If we didn't we would be the same barbarian scum they are.
Additionally, summary executions do absolutely nothing. As A Admiral Beez pointed out. Terrorists are made, not born. There is always an event, condition, or teaching that radicalizes someone. Do you really think that 8 year old boy who just watched his father getting hung or shot against a wall is deterred from committing terrorism? No way! Get real! His heart is enraged, and the radical teachings he is hearing have been confirmed.
You want to stop terrorism? Start with fixing the root causes that breeds the hate.
Terrorists are scum. I place them on the same level as child rapists. I have no issues with killing them in combat, or executing those captured and found guilty in the court of law.
I draw the line with summary executions. Why? We are better than that. We are a civilized society that lives by the rule of justice and law. If we didn't we would be the same barbarian scum they are.
Additionally, summary executions do absolutely nothing. As A Admiral Beez pointed out. Terrorists are made, not born. There is always an event, condition, or teaching that radicalizes someone. Do you really think that 8 year old boy who just watched his father getting hung or shot against a wall is deterred from committing terrorism? No way! Get real! His heart is enraged, and the radical teachings he is hearing have been confirmed.
You want to stop terrorism? Start with fixing the root causes that breeds the hate.
Its a huge one that's been indoctrinated in peoples brains. Hate to say it…
And yes, I fully support the right of Israel to exist and defend its people, but it is not above the law.
The Palestinians have a right to exist in their homeland as well.
Find a solution and fix it, don't make it worse.
The Palestinians have a right to exist in their homeland as well.
Find a solution and fix it, don't make it worse.
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