Thumpalumpacus
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The Japanese tried that in the PTO. The Germans tried that in Poland, the same year.
Israel vs Hamas Conflict 2023
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The Japanese tried that in the PTO. The Germans tried that in Poland, the same year.
Warspite63
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Reluctantly, I must agree. Reluctant not because I disagree with your position - just the opposite: your point forces me to confront my own ..... inclination to ignore the uglier side of the state of Israel's policies and practices. To be clear, I consider modern-day Israel to be an admirable and impressive entity, born out of the collective shame of the post-WW2 reflection and brought on by the realization of the reality of the Holocaust. Any claim of moral equivalency by the terrorists (or their apologists) bent on massacre is both laughable and nauseating. Israel possesses vast military capabilities... and nuclear weapons. If those capabilities and weapons belonged instead to their foes, Israel would be a radioactive wasteland. Israel has shown restraint and good will that (except rarely) have not been returned . All of that said, it does not erase the fact Israel cannot claim to have spotless hands
Wildcat
Major
Unfortunately not. One man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Executions play to the enemy's narrative - helps to legitimise their claims and grievances.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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Assad isn't sunni, he is alauit, a branch of shia Islam.
I think your kid's been on the PC again. Maybe get him to define which terrorists he's talking about: Israel or Hamas.
Oh Wow !
while they are doing that, how about sterilising all the women and killing all the kids so they don't grow into freedom fighters ?
that'll solve the problem.
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MiTasol
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I have a dark sense of humor.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Hey Snowygrouch,
re "The missiles/rockets are all supplied by/funded from Iran, this was told to me recently by an Israeli friend of mine, his family knew several of the people involved in this event."
Are you saying that some of your friend's family members know people involved in the manufacture and/or purchase and/or transport arrangement and or smuggling of the rockets used by the Hamas in the current action?
If the answer is "yes" then you and/or your friend may be visited by British intelligence (or Israeli intelligence) at some point in the near future in order to trace the people involved in said actions.
If the answer is "no" then the people your friend says his family members know have no way of really knowing where the rockets came from.
Do not misunderstand me, I also figure it is probable that the rockets originated from Iran - but Hamas has historically also been funded/supplied/aided by nations and entities other than just Iran.
And as J_P_C and I both intimated in the Ukraine thread, there may be other players in the game.
re "The missiles/rockets are all supplied by/funded from Iran, this was told to me recently by an Israeli friend of mine, his family knew several of the people involved in this event."
Are you saying that some of your friend's family members know people involved in the manufacture and/or purchase and/or transport arrangement and or smuggling of the rockets used by the Hamas in the current action?
If the answer is "yes" then you and/or your friend may be visited by British intelligence (or Israeli intelligence) at some point in the near future in order to trace the people involved in said actions.
If the answer is "no" then the people your friend says his family members know have no way of really knowing where the rockets came from.
Do not misunderstand me, I also figure it is probable that the rockets originated from Iran - but Hamas has historically also been funded/supplied/aided by nations and entities other than just Iran.
And as J_P_C and I both intimated in the Ukraine thread, there may be other players in the game.
Wildcat
Major
Me too. We used to have a sign in our barracks that said "The beatings will continue until the morale improves!". Always liked that one.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
A popular one here too!
drgondog
Major
I have often wondered the outcome of Palestinians and Israelis accepting our Bill of Rights as the foundation framework for co-existance, in which the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 13th Amendments are accepted and passionately embraced.
Eliminating any reference to a State Religion or holding one above any other - while recognizing that all men are created equal, each having the God (pick the one for You) given Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Oh, wait - I just woke up..that one is no longer in effect.
Eliminating any reference to a State Religion or holding one above any other - while recognizing that all men are created equal, each having the God (pick the one for You) given Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Oh, wait - I just woke up..that one is no longer in effect.
Deleted member 68059
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Its immensely complicated, but I think (personally) that the barrier here isnt quite so much the people of Israel and the Palestinans not being able to come to terms, but that
its just become a proxy conflict for Iran vs the US & US interests. So whilst Iran and the USA are not on speaking terms, there will be no solution as the arms/rockets and money will keep pouring through the tunnels. Some people who know a lot more about the region than I do, suggest that Hamas does not exactly have the interests of the Palestinian people at heart, and that without their influence there, things might get a lot better.
Not THAT long past, Israelis used to go into Gaza for a night out dancing, because they had a very energetic night life ! (true story)
its just become a proxy conflict for Iran vs the US & US interests. So whilst Iran and the USA are not on speaking terms, there will be no solution as the arms/rockets and money will keep pouring through the tunnels. Some people who know a lot more about the region than I do, suggest that Hamas does not exactly have the interests of the Palestinian people at heart, and that without their influence there, things might get a lot better.
Not THAT long past, Israelis used to go into Gaza for a night out dancing, because they had a very energetic night life ! (true story)
One final, and LAST time…
As stated on the very first page of this thread:
The same rules apply as they do in the Ukraine thread. Stick to discussions directly related to the conflict. Do not get overly political. This thread is not a place to discuss your political grievances.
Admiral Beez
Major
My question is why wasn't this open air concert protected? It's located near Gaza after all. Apparently, in a country where nearly every Israeli man and women is a military reservist, none of the concert goers were armed? I guess this is partially why… 'Too little, too late': Israel issues emergency directive to 'allow' citizens to arm themselves . Were there no soldiers guarding the event? How lastly, how in hell does Mossad and the IDF not detect a swarm of armed fighters busting out of Gaza?
Um, the horse has left the stable, and NOW the IDF shows up in force?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bnE0kC7TWwE
Um, the horse has left the stable, and NOW the IDF shows up in force?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bnE0kC7TWwE
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Thanks for the correction, bud.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
How Hamas duped Israel as it planned devastating attack
While Israel was led to believe it was containing a war-weary Hamas by providing economic incentives to Gazan workers, the group's fighters were being trained and drilled, often in plain sight, a source close to Hamas said.
I don't want to drag the Ukraine conflict into this discussion, but…
This all smells like a deliberate and planned diversion by Putin to redirect US/NATO supplies and weapons to Israel and away from Ukraine.
This all smells like a deliberate and planned diversion by Putin to redirect US/NATO supplies and weapons to Israel and away from Ukraine.
Admiral Beez
Major
Hamas is friends with Iran, and Iran friends with Putin. So, yeah. But as it was, the US Congress was at loggerheads about moving ahead with Biden's foreign military spending. An attack on Israel may well cause a tide that raises all boats, so to speak, freeing up aid to Ukraine as well as Israel. A Putin plan that backfires? Never, lol.
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