Italian Aircraft Camouflage and Markings

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  1. al49

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    Hi,
    I know about an F-5E that landed in Milan Linate airport on October 29, 1944 but the pictures I've seen are all with German markings.
    It is unlikely the the same machine because the Savoy cross on the rudder was used only until the end of August 1943
    I will investigate and I will let you know if I find something.
    Alberto
     
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    I got some more on the bird shown in your photo.


    A P-38G was captured by Regia Aeronautica when, due to a malfunction of the compass, landed by mistake in Sardinia on June 12, 1943.
    Later the P-38 was flight transferred to the test center located in Guidonia (near Rome) and painted with Italian markings.

    The aircraft was also scrambled a few times in August 1943 by Colonel Tondi and, on August 11, she attached and shot down the B-17F s/n 42-30307 belonging to 419th BS, 301st BG.
    Later, the aircraft was grounded because Italian gasoline was too corrosive for her tanks.

    About the markings, I'm still searching but, as seen on captured French aircraft, the majority only received the markings shown in photo: white Savoy cross on the fin/rudder and white fuselage band.
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    Hi,
    thanks to the help of friends from 150GCT forum, I can show a few more pictures:

    File1000.jpg File1003.jpg File1004.jpg Lockheed_p38j_catturato.jpg

    No one clearly shows wing surfaces, unfortunately, but it's experts opinion that US insignia were only covered by Dark Green paint, as mentioned in the story I copied here below, and not replaced by Italian ones.

    The 12 of June, 1943 a lonely P-38 landed at Capoterra airfield on southern Sardinia. The Italians on the airfield cannot believe what was happening. A soldier, quickly, move a car just on the front of the aircraft to prevent a restart. The P-38's pilot was opening the canopy when he realize that he had landed on the wrong place. He tried to take off but it was too late to do it and he was captured. The pilot - his identity is unknown - was flyng from Malta to Gibraltar ( other sources says he was flyng from Tunis to Pantelleria ) to deliver a bag containing documents and mail. He landed at Capoterra almost out of fuel after a long trip above the Mediterranean Sea . Later was found a compass failure resulting in 30 degrees error on the route . The P-38 was probably an E model upgraded to G models. Voices says that last four digits of the serial number were 2278. The US insignia was covered with Italian Dark Green paint who was a bit darker respect the US Olive Drab. Then were applied white bands on the booms, Sabaudian crosses on the tails and spinners was painted in white. The Lightning was tested at Guidonia Experimental Center near Rome and later was used against US bombers. The Col. Angelo Tondi - a skilled Italian pilot - flyng with the P-38 shoot down a US B-24 Liberator off Anzio coast at 11am of August 11, 1943, six of B-24's crew bailed out from the aircraft . The Italian Lightning had a no long flyng career because the German synthetic fuel used by Italians corroded P-38's fuel tanks and the aircraft was forced to stay on the ground, but US reports says that B-17s bombers were attacked by two P-38s on early September 1943. During another mission a damaged US P-38 was flyng close to US bombers needing protection. The bomber's gunners, thinking he was the " enemy " P-38, shoot down the aircraft.

    I don't know if the above story is 100% correct because I was unable to find back the source, but it's a nice one.
    Alberto
     
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    Great stuff here ALberto. So it seems she didn't waer the Italian markings on wings.
     
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    does it happen to have any Ju-87's either b or d/g?
     
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    Sorry, I don't understand exactly what you mean. Are you looking for pictures of Ju-87 with Italian marking? If that is the case, I have some of them.
    Alberto
     
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    yes I am it can be in any of the versions that was made
     
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    #48 al49, Jun 18, 2013
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    OK,
    here following are those I have.
    They are from different sources and should be for personal usage only.

    View attachment 236391 Ju 87 B.jpg Ju 87 B2.jpg Ju 87 D 216 squadr.jpg Ju 87 R2 208 squad.jpg Ju 87 R2.jpg Ju-87B2 96-Grp-237a-Sqd-WNr-5688-Lecce-Galatina-1940-01.jpg Ju-87B2 97-Grp-239a-Sqd-red-11-Italy-1941-01.jpg

    Alberto
     
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    it will be used for my use in helping me with my R/C model that I plan on starting this fall. Ive been researching different color schemes but realized that this one done in Italian colors is really underdone. So now I am considering in doing it in these markings once I have a complete plane to follow, but this does help and start to give me an idea of what these looked like
     
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    I don't think I will be starting my project until then at least but the Ju-87B is a good one to model the chin cowl hides the motor well
     
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    I'm working on a RA Bf 109G-4 (365-1). I'm using Gunze Sangyo acrylics. Which common color would be a reasonable substitute for the Italian light gray that was used to paint out the Luft. marking? I've seen it as more of a medium blueish gray and also more of a lighter gray with a brownish tint.
     
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    It's not sure which specific colour was use to paint out German markings.
    The most probable, in my knowledge, is "grigio azzurro chiaro 1" the equivalent in Gunze acrilic should be H.324 but they could also have used "grigio mimetico", therefore similar to H317.
    Alberto
     
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    Thanks Alberto! I'll have a look at my GS paints and see if i have one of those or both. If both, i'll maybe flip a coin :)
     
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    Found this....

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    cool. I have 317 and i do not have 324. So my choice is made for me. Thanks Alberto and Wurger!
     
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    Pictures on the link suggested by Wurger are very good also you can, if you wish, refer to my Regia Aeronautica 109

    DSCN1831.JPG DSCN1833.JPG DSCN1835.JPG DSCN1837.JPG

    In my personal opinion Gunze 317 is a bit too grey but may be you can correct it by adding a little bit of blue.
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    Beautiful 109!
     
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