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from one of my posts here "Westland Welkin: Basis for a Whirlwind II?". . . The British BoB fuel was 100/115-120, but since in the BoB they didn't have the test procedure or the PN scale you are not going to see it specified of spelled out. . .
You're the one projecting. Your diatribe does has very little to do with what I actually wrote. Also its apparent that you didn't actually read my posts before launching your rant.
I never said they should do it I quite specifically said they COULD do. This was deliberate word choice. I never offered an option on what they should have done.
I did not state that the Japanese wanted a bomber. I merely stated that Lockheed 14 was the basis for the Hudson which was very successful in the ASW role. Obviously they bought a transport and that what they used it for. I never said otherwise.
Your next statement makes it crystal clear that you never actually read my posts, I quote:
"Secondly, you are believing falsely that the army would carry out what was essentially a navy job, and by doing so you a demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how bitterly the navy and army behaved toward one another, and the nature of their military set up."
Here you are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of what I wrote. I am well aware of the Japanese underservice rivalry and clearly stated that in my posts. In Post 52 I wrote "The problem of course is that the Tachikawa Type LO Transport Aircraft was an Army program and giving them to the navy would be unthinkable'' In post 74 I reiterated that " ..inter service rivalry would likely prevent that from happening."
Nowhere did I state that it was developing a bomber from the Lockheed 14 was trivial exercise.
A question for you. Do you actually believe that the Japanese were unaware of the Hudson? It was not some secret project. It entered frontline service in mid 1938, three years before the Japanese entry into the war and was widely reported on. It was not a closely guarded secret hidden from view.
There was plenty of prewar reporting on it.
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In fact the Hudson was the star of a pre war movie "Captain of the Clouds"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj38Y6oIaws#ddg-play
This statement may be suspect. S.D. Heron is generally credited with invention/development of the Performance Scale, or he claims to have done it and there are few (any?) claims that contradict that. There is also the difference between a man (and team) developing a method and getting it adopted by governments and industries in in at least 2 nations. Heron was British by birth and early work but by 1921 he was in the US. by 1934 he was technical director for aeronautical research for the Ethyl Corporation. In his books (there are at least two more) he doesn't say when he developed the PN scale (or I have forgotten it) but the quoted statement seems a little off. Or we are going by each other. Going by the old books the British were not specifying 100/130 PN numbers in the late 30s. They didn't have the PN scale in place or a way to test it. They were specifying that the 100 octane fuel contain at least 20% aromatics. They were trying for increased knock rating, they knew what they were trying to achieve. But they didn't have a way to measure it.The lean and rich mixture 100/130 PNs were set in September 1938 and remained the same for the rest of the war.
In his books (there are at least two more) he doesn't say when he developed the PN scale (or I have forgotten it) but the quoted statement seems a little off. Or we are going by each other. Going by the old books the British were not specifying 100/130 PN numbers in the late 30s. They didn't have the PN scale in place or a way to test it.
As to what fuel they actually used when testing the engines, all war-time engines were required by the Air Ministry DED/DERD to be tested using what they called a 'reference fuel' - ie a fuel that met the minimum standards set out in the test specification. There were different reference fuels for different grades - ie 73, 80, 87, 100, etc. The reference fuel used for testing BAM.100 had to result in PNs that matched or exceeded those of 100% iso-octane plus 4cc TEL per Impgal. So in theory at least, RR and the other UK engine manufacturers used the specified 100/130 PN reference fuels when they rated their engines.
From an engine design view point this is correct. The change from 120 to 130 is not great. Some of the BoB fuel may have been 130 when measured under the new test procedures.One relevant quote: "There is essentially no difference between the 100 octane fuel the RAF was using in 1940 and "100/130" being used by the Allies until the end of the war, the 130 merely represents an agreed change in testing designation."
While these sound more powerful than the KGV's and US North Carolina's the British and the US are building their new battleships in quantity.smaller Yamatos at about 45,000-50,000 tons with 9x41cm guns and 29-30kt speed,
The Junyo's were converted passenger liner hulls. With the passenger liner machinery, 2 shafts, 6 boilers and 52,250hp each. The Unryu's used 4 shafts, 8 boilers and 152,000hp per ship.2 Unryus instead of the large and inneficient Junyos
While two Ibuki's were planned only one was laid down. As built as a light carrier they used 1/2 the intended power plant. Full power plant would have been roughly the same as an Unryu. But the hull was roughly 2/3s the displacement.more Unryus instead of the Ibuki cruisers
The second one is building or converting as many carries as reasonably possible, for instance 2 Unryus instead of the large and inneficient Junyos, more Unryus instead of the Ibuki cruisers, and the shadow carrier conversion program should ideally be started earlier so more CVs, CVEs an CVLs are ready by late 1941 and into 1942.
Is this TL involving naval construction as well? Of the many facets, couple that stand out to me are one, smaller Yamatos at about 45,000-50,000 tons with 9x41cm guns and 29-30kt speed, which might mean all 4 actually being finished and crucially a lot less stress on the shipyards building them, no need for extensive renovation and enlargement work AND the huge new drydocks built at Yokosuka and Sasebo can be made much smaller so they are ready earlier and consume less resources and workforce.
The second one is building or converting as many carries as reasonably possible, for instance 2 Unryus instead of the large and inneficient Junyos, more Unryus instead of the Ibuki cruisers, and the shadow carrier conversion program should ideally be started earlier so more CVs, CVEs an CVLs are ready by late 1941 and into 1942.
Modify the Ise and Hyuga into the full-blown aircraft carriers before 1942?
25 kts.23 kts doesn't make for a good fleet carrier.
25 kts.
Much better asset than a 25 kt BB.
Don't mix the I&H with fast carriers and you're golden.I stand corrected. 25 kts is still slow for a fleet carrier. Better hope for strong winds.
Don't mix the I&H with fast carriers and you're golden.
25 kts is still plenty enough for aircraft taking off and landing.
Early-war, lighter planes, sure. As planes increase in size and weight these conversions will lose what value they may have.
Seems like we're in disagreement.