Me-262 Gunsight

[Rodd1951]

Hi All,

We are still in the process of overhauling/upgrading our 262 and I was wondering if anyone has a detailed diagram of the REVI gunsight? Ours is missing but we are looking to fabricate a replica if we can get hold of some accurate diagrams. Think its a 16D with Gyro stabilisation/ lead calculation (in photos it is a lot longer than the REVI 16B gunsight we have in our Me-109) however some sources say its a REVI EZ42

All help, information, advice etc gratefully received.
Rodd

 

[mjfur]

The majority of Me 262's used the Revi 16B. A few EZ 42's were tested in the Me 262 (along with other aircraft), but very few.
I believe there were only about 200 units of the EZ 42 produced. I am not aware of any Me 262 using a Revi 16D.

 

[MIflyer]

Here is a color shot.

 

[Rodd1951]

Mjfur and Miflyer

Thank you both for getting back to me with information on the Me-262 Gunsight.

It seems that the best way forward would be to fit a REVI 16B as the EZ42 was so rare, I'm sure we have a couple in stores if not it will be fairly easy to copy the one in our Bf-109.

Thank you both again for your help

Rodd Evans

 

[mig2830]

Mjfur and Miflyer

Thank you both for getting back to me with information on the Me-262 Gunsight.

It seems that the best way forward would be to fit a REVI 16B as the EZ42 was so rare, I'm sure we have a couple in stores if not it will be fairly easy to copy the one in our Bf-109.

Thank you both again for your help

Rodd Evans

Hi,

There was actually quite a few ME262s equiped with the EZ42. From photos of wrecked aircrafts on different airfields around Germany, you can identify that they vere equiped with the EZ42.

But there is a lot more to it that the gunsite itself, there is quit a few other things as shown in this photograph

 

[Gunsights]

It might be easiest to purchase one of these replicas.

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[mjfur]

Hi,

There was actually quite a few ME262s equiped with the EZ42. From photos of wrecked aircrafts on different airfields around Germany, you can identify that they vere equiped with the EZ42.

But there is a lot more to it that the gunsite itself, there is quit a few other things as shown in this photograph
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Post some pics.

 

[Snautzer01]

We are still in the process of overhauling/upgrading our 262 a

That not a sentence i read every day. Love to see some pictures of it.

 

[Snautzer01]

And do you have the wrknr for this one. Perhaps i can find out with what type it was equipped at the time.

 

[Snautzer01]

did bit of searching

Based on what I understand from JG 7 The World's First Jet Fighter Unit 1944/1945 by Bohme the answer is not very common. Apparently the new gunsight was tested with the Me 262 by III./JG 7 in late February and early March 1945 after which Major Rudolf Sinner, the Gruppenkommandeur, decided against equipping the aircraft of the unit with the device. Evidently the high speed of the jet fighter allowed very little time to adjust the range controls for the gunsight to compute the necessary deflection. The book mentions that very likely the only victories claimed by a Me 262 equipped with the EZ 42 occurred when Unteroffizier Heiner Geisthövel of 2./JG 7 claimed two P-51 fighters on 8 April 1945. In contrast to the negative opinions concerning the use of the EZ 42 with the Me 262 it is my understanding that the pilots of II./JG 300 equipped with the Fw 190 A-8 that used it operationally were pleased with it. I hope this helps.

EZ42 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

EZ42 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

forum.12oclockhigh.net

features the EZ42 gunsight... "white 4", WNr 500226, of Oberleutnant Bohatsch, 1.JG7 at Dedelstorf. Bohatsch landed there on 8th of May 45 coming from Saaz/Zatec.

Nice pic of an Me262 on eBay - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Nice pic of an Me262 on eBay Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

forum.12oclockhigh.net

As I collect gunsights, I constantly look for the EZ42 among others in all pics I come across. In the last 10 years I have found pics of it installed in only four aircraft. If there's more please be so kind as to post them. EZ 42 in FW 190 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

 

[Snautzer01]

as you see the ez 42 was programmed to be on a Me262. However notive the absence of a fl number for it. If you cant order it with this fl number you can not install it. Ergo i think all uses of ez 42 on the Me262 are just testing and not regular fittings.

 

[mig2830]

The FL- and Geräte. no is: FL52218 and the Geräte no is 127-569 A-1.
Source: Fl.52218 EZ 42, 1945 | Deutscheluftwaffe
With some nice pics
At late war material, there semes to be missing FL-numbers in some instances, probably due to lack of registration by the RLM, but in this instance that is done.

 

[Snautzer01]

The FL- and Geräte. no is: FL52218 and the Geräte no is 127-569 A-1.
Source: Fl.52218 EZ 42, 1945 | Deutscheluftwaffe
With some nice pics
At late war material, there semes to be missing FL-numbers in some instances, probably due to lack of registration by the RLM, but in this instance that is done.

Look at the sticker where the fl number is on. Pre production model i think.

 

[mig2830]

Here is one photograpf with the EZ 42 in a ME262, Weisse 1, WNr. 170047

Source:

 

[Snautzer01]

Messerschmitt Me 262A-1a (W.Nr. 170047) piloted by Franz Schall of the Erprobungskommando 262/Kommando Nowotny

 

[mig2830]

Yes, and the photograph is from Innsbruck-Reichenau, Austria in May 1945 by American GI´s. This ME 262 was first flown on July 21, 1944 and was first assigned to EKdo 262-Lärz and later to III./JG7.

 

[Kawinksy]

Check out this website: Reflexvisier German aircraft gunsights

Examples:
EZ 42 Kreiselvisier EZ 42 | reflexvisier
Revi C12E Revi C12E | reflexvisier
Revi16D Revi 16 D | reflexvisier

Erwin Wiedmer, owner of this website also maintains deutscheluftwaffe.de

 

[Rodd1951]

That not a sentence i read every day. Love to see some pictures of it.

Hi Snautzer,

Still a bit to do but thought I would post a couple of photos to show the progress made so far with the replica REVI16B.

 

[mjfur]

Rodd, Which Me 262 are you working on?

 

[Snautzer01]

Hi Snautzer,

Still a bit to do but thought I would post a couple of photos to show the progress made so far with the replica REVI16B.

Going well i think. And indeed and me262 are you working on,?