"Mig-19"
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davebender
1st Lieutenant
Creation of the TV-2 (NK-12) turboprop engine
It appears to me Stalin carted off the entire Junkers turboprop design staff as slave laborers. I doubt this was a unique incident.
wiking85
Staff Sergeant
It was most certainly not. The V-2 was produced in the USSR post war and work was continued on the Jumo 223 and 224. Not to mention the French assumption of the Panther tank and the Jumo 213 engine.
What was the joke? " Our German scientists were better than their German scientists"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_183
davebender
1st Lieutenant
Better treated anyway. That does wonders for motivation and productivity.
That Mig 19 model was a mistake made by Revelle before pictures of the real Mig 19 were made public.
It had absolutely no resemblance to the real Mig 19, it was just a fanciful creation of someones imagination. Though it does resemble the Ta183.
The Russians did make limited run Mig 15 and 17s with radar radomes on the nose that slightly resemble that model, but I don't think nothing like that model was ever built.
I wish I had hung on to that model from the late 50's or early 60's, it would probably be worth something now.
It had absolutely no resemblance to the real Mig 19, it was just a fanciful creation of someones imagination. Though it does resemble the Ta183.
The Russians did make limited run Mig 15 and 17s with radar radomes on the nose that slightly resemble that model, but I don't think nothing like that model was ever built.
I wish I had hung on to that model from the late 50's or early 60's, it would probably be worth something now.
GregP
Major
They also made the Lavochkin La-15 that sometimes got mistaken in Western press for a MiG.
By taking a quick squizz on the net I found these, both of which resemble the aircraft you guys mentioned, only made by Lindberg and Aurora:
Old Plastic Model Kits: model airplane kits, Revell, Monogram, Aurora
Old Plastic Model Kits: model airplane kits, Revell, Monogram, Aurora
Here is the Aurora kit built:
Aurora MIG-19 Model Kit by Aurora
Old Plastic Model Kits: model airplane kits, Revell, Monogram, Aurora
Old Plastic Model Kits: model airplane kits, Revell, Monogram, Aurora
Here is the Aurora kit built:
Aurora MIG-19 Model Kit by Aurora
Gixxerman
Senior Airman
That's not the Mig 19.
This is
This is
Shortround6
Major General
Western "public" knowledge of Soviet aircraft in the early 1950s was pretty iffy. As bad or worse than Knowledge about Japanese aircraft in 1941/42. Sometimes all there was were some grainy pictures or newsreel footage of a Moscow parade fly-by.
Gixxerman
Senior Airman
True Shortround6, reminds me of the 1st Mig25 pics which I saw once upon a time in a few mags (before Viktor Belenko went to Japan on his holidays).
I chose those pics as they showed the outline best (esp the twin engines).
I chose those pics as they showed the outline best (esp the twin engines).
I have a pocket sized The Observer's Book of Aircraft for 1959 which notes the MIG 21 as having just entered service.
The blurry photo and silhouette is for a plane that looks like a more streamlined and attractive single engined MIG 19 with no sign of a delta wing, presumably one of the early protoypes got photographed but not the tailed delta chosen for production.
It must have been hard and risky obtaining definite information in a totalitarian USSR.
The blurry photo and silhouette is for a plane that looks like a more streamlined and attractive single engined MIG 19 with no sign of a delta wing, presumably one of the early protoypes got photographed but not the tailed delta chosen for production.
It must have been hard and risky obtaining definite information in a totalitarian USSR.
I do think you right , mine probably was Aurora.
I do remember it was a crappy shade of green.
When I realized it was a model of a non-existent aircraft, I threw it away. That usually meant firecrackers were involved.
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Aurora models of the 50's were not of very good quality or accuracy. I remember a Bf109E model that was molded in dark maroon plastic.
But Aurora, Lindberg, and sometimes Revelle was all you'd see in my area.
When I got to a big city and discovered Airfix and some of the other foreign brands, I thought I had died and went to heaven.
But Aurora, Lindberg, and sometimes Revelle was all you'd see in my area.
When I got to a big city and discovered Airfix and some of the other foreign brands, I thought I had died and went to heaven.
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
Aurora was the worst. I still have nightmares about trying to get that landing gear to work on that F8U!
I always thought that Monograms were top quality models, Revelle and Linberg were ok.Gixxerman
Senior Airman
It's been quite a few years since I made my last model but for some reason, here in the UK at least, the Mig 19 was very hard to find, I think the French firm Heller did one but since the fall of the old Soviet bloc that has gotten a lot better with several offerings from Eastern Europe now available.
Always thought it was a very handsome looking plane.
Always thought it was a very handsome looking plane.
GregP
Major
It is and the Chinese version is quite well built, albeit with the short-life jet engines. Still, it DOES perform when required. Higher landing speeds but good behabior in general. No real vices except fuel use.
If I were a warbird collector, I'd take a MiG-17 over a MiG-19 any day. Half the fuel burn, and it's still too much! You can do OK with MiG-17 if you climb to altitude and stay out of afterburner. Otherwise, better have a fuel truck nearby. The MiG-19 is worse.
I sat in a MiG-17 one might in Phoenix and we burned up about $500 of fuel in roughly 4 minutes! ... in AB. But it DID make a huge flame out the back end and contributed to a great night of firsts (got to taxi it ... steering with brakes only). The guynsight was operational was was very interesting. We hung a pic of a Corsair on the wall and used the throttle grip to move the sight ring to match the wingspan, and pulled the trigger ... unfortunately no guns or ammo, but it is a gyroscopic, compensating gunsight. When you move your head the sight reticle moves with you ... at least to the edge of the sight glass.
If I were a warbird collector, I'd take a MiG-17 over a MiG-19 any day. Half the fuel burn, and it's still too much! You can do OK with MiG-17 if you climb to altitude and stay out of afterburner. Otherwise, better have a fuel truck nearby. The MiG-19 is worse.
I sat in a MiG-17 one might in Phoenix and we burned up about $500 of fuel in roughly 4 minutes! ... in AB. But it DID make a huge flame out the back end and contributed to a great night of firsts (got to taxi it ... steering with brakes only). The guynsight was operational was was very interesting. We hung a pic of a Corsair on the wall and used the throttle grip to move the sight ring to match the wingspan, and pulled the trigger ... unfortunately no guns or ammo, but it is a gyroscopic, compensating gunsight. When you move your head the sight reticle moves with you ... at least to the edge of the sight glass.
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davparlr
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The Basket
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The MiG-17 gunsight is a F-86 gunsight. Stolen.
That Popular Science is a rum do. But in them days u could write total balls and no one could contradict you coz no one knew any better. Nice work if you can get it.
Red stars were painted on any western jet so YF-17 becomes MiG-29 when red stars are added.
I did see a pix of a single engined MiG-19 or was it a MiG-21 with the -19 wing? dunno.
I only wished the British copied the Ta 183 instead of the Meteor.
In the Popular Science mag, it says the armament of the F-84 is classified. But a quick google search says 6 .50 cals?
Am I going to jail?
That Popular Science is a rum do. But in them days u could write total balls and no one could contradict you coz no one knew any better. Nice work if you can get it.
Red stars were painted on any western jet so YF-17 becomes MiG-29 when red stars are added.
I did see a pix of a single engined MiG-19 or was it a MiG-21 with the -19 wing? dunno.
I only wished the British copied the Ta 183 instead of the Meteor.
In the Popular Science mag, it says the armament of the F-84 is classified. But a quick google search says 6 .50 cals?
Am I going to jail?
