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pinehilljoe
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Were the German aircraft part of Major Hajo Hermann's Wilde Sau? It must have take a lot of cool nerve to fly a 109 or 190 at night.
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Martin Bowman's "Mosquitopanik" includes 59 pages covering air to air victories by Mosquitoes, from 1942 to 1945 in the ETO, (MTO, Malta, Far East etc are not covered).
These show the date, type of Mossie (eg XIX), type and number of enemy aircraft confirmed destroyed, some with unit and crew, place, and the Mossie crew.
As Steve has pointed out, some of the dates span an overnight period, for example 23/24/4/44 (Day/Day/Month/Year), which are obviously night 'kills'.
However, some of those with just a single day shown, could also be night 'kills', depending on time of year, if the Mossie took off and landed before midnight, and this can possibly be deduced from the type of Mosquito involved - if it's a night fighter type, then it's more than likely the 'kill' was at night.
Unfortunately, when it comes to the Mosquito MkII, the list does not differentiate between Mk.F.II and NF.II.
There are a number of kills shown for the Mosquito VI, which is the FB.VI, but unless the time is shown it's not possible to be certain, from the lists, if this was a day or night victory (FB.VI was also employed on Night Intruder Ops), without cross-referencing from other sources, or Sqn ORBs.
These show the date, type of Mossie (eg XIX), type and number of enemy aircraft confirmed destroyed, some with unit and crew, place, and the Mossie crew.
As Steve has pointed out, some of the dates span an overnight period, for example 23/24/4/44 (Day/Day/Month/Year), which are obviously night 'kills'.
However, some of those with just a single day shown, could also be night 'kills', depending on time of year, if the Mossie took off and landed before midnight, and this can possibly be deduced from the type of Mosquito involved - if it's a night fighter type, then it's more than likely the 'kill' was at night.
Unfortunately, when it comes to the Mosquito MkII, the list does not differentiate between Mk.F.II and NF.II.
There are a number of kills shown for the Mosquito VI, which is the FB.VI, but unless the time is shown it's not possible to be certain, from the lists, if this was a day or night victory (FB.VI was also employed on Night Intruder Ops), without cross-referencing from other sources, or Sqn ORBs.
Mike Williams
Senior Airman
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- Oct 19, 2006
Here are a couple of Mosquito versus Me 109 combat reports that might be of interest:
F/Lt. D. J. Raby, 239 Squadron, 8/9 August, 1944
F/Lt. H. E. Miller, 418 Squadron, 30 September, 1944
W/C B. R. O'B Hoare, 605 Squadron, 24/25 March 1944
F/Lt. D. J. Raby, 239 Squadron, 8/9 August, 1944
F/Lt. H. E. Miller, 418 Squadron, 30 September, 1944
W/C B. R. O'B Hoare, 605 Squadron, 24/25 March 1944
Old Wizard
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Ten Fw 190s were claimed by No. 85 Squadron (and an 11th by No.256 Squadron) between May and July 1943. That's a significant percentage of the total for the war. Most of these can be matched to losses from SKG 10, which was involved in night time fighter bomber raids, usually against RAF airfields, occasionally London, during this period.
The aircraft of SKG 10 seem to have spent most of their time getting lost, landing on British airfields by mistake, crash landing or being shot down by night fighters. They were probably happy to be moved to Italy immediately after the period in question.
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Steve
Mike Williams
Senior Airman
- 572
- Oct 19, 2006
Me 109 losses from Mosquitoes as compiled by Mark Huxtable:
17/18 Aug 1943 605 Bf 109 F/L D. H. Bromley
22/23 Sept 1943 605 F/O K. H. Dacre Bf 109 G-6, Uffz. Henner, Karl of 7./JG 300
22/23 Sept 1943 605 S/L T. A. Heath Bf 109 G-6, JG 302, Ofw. Adolf Wiedermann, KIA
28/29 Jan 1944 141 F/O H. E. White Bf 109
23/24 March 1944 605 F/L G. A. Holland Bf 109 G-6 # 411 205, 3./JG 301 Oblt.Wilhelm Burggraf
23/24 March 1944 605 F/L G. A. Holland Bf 109G-6 # 411 232, I./JG 301 Fw Fritz Brinkmannwas wounded
26/27 May 1944 141 F/O H. E. White Bf 109
15/15 July 1944 169 W/O L. W. Turner Bf109 G-6, 3./JG301, Fw. Wilhelm Hähnel injured.
8/9/ Aug 1944 239 F/L D. J. Raby Bf 109, I./JG 301
10/11 Aug 1944 169 F/O W H. Miller Bf 109
27 Aug 1944 25 BF 109 G, likely Fw Martin Schulze of 1/JG301. wounded
3 Sept 1944 418 F/L S. H. Cotterill Bf 109
6/7 Sept 1944 515 W/C F. Lambert Bf 109
11/12 Sept 1944 85 F/L P. H. Kendall Bf 109 G
13 Sept 1944 140 F/L C. T. Butt Bf 109
30 Sept 1944 418 F/L H. E. Miller Possibly Bf 109 of Schulstaffel ?/I./JG 102
29 Oct 1944 515 F/L F. T. L'Amie Bf 109 JG 102, Fw Heinz Vennemann KIA.
26 Dec 1944 143 F/O Smith Bf 109
11 Jan 1945 143 F/O Clause Whilst taking evasive action, the 109 hit the sea.
11 Jan 1945 235 F/L N. Russell Bf 109 G-14 W.N. 462503, of 14./JG 5. Officer Clemens Koehler KIA.
11 Jan 1945 235 F/L N. Russell Bf 109 G-14 Officer Werner Nieft
26 Jan 1945 FIU F/L P. S. Crompton Bf 109
16 Feb 1945 FEF F/O K. V. Panter Bf 109
16 Feb 1945 FEF F/L P. S. Comptom Bf 109
21/22 Feb 1945 239 W/C W. F. Gibb Likely I./N.J.G 11 Uffz. Hans Martin, Bf 109 G-14, Werk-Nr. 780 716, KIA. Claimed as an Fw 190.
12 March 1945 333 Fnr. T. G. Gulsrud Bf 109 G6 of 13./JG 5, Wrk.Nr. 410780. Oblt. Hans Schneider KIA.
24/25 March 1945 604 F/L L. J. Leppard Bf 109
4/5 April 1945 BSDU S/L R. G. Woodman Bf 109
24/25 March 1945 23 F/O Field Bf 109 probable
17/18 Aug 1943 605 Bf 109 F/L D. H. Bromley
22/23 Sept 1943 605 F/O K. H. Dacre Bf 109 G-6, Uffz. Henner, Karl of 7./JG 300
22/23 Sept 1943 605 S/L T. A. Heath Bf 109 G-6, JG 302, Ofw. Adolf Wiedermann, KIA
28/29 Jan 1944 141 F/O H. E. White Bf 109
23/24 March 1944 605 F/L G. A. Holland Bf 109 G-6 # 411 205, 3./JG 301 Oblt.Wilhelm Burggraf
23/24 March 1944 605 F/L G. A. Holland Bf 109G-6 # 411 232, I./JG 301 Fw Fritz Brinkmannwas wounded
26/27 May 1944 141 F/O H. E. White Bf 109
15/15 July 1944 169 W/O L. W. Turner Bf109 G-6, 3./JG301, Fw. Wilhelm Hähnel injured.
8/9/ Aug 1944 239 F/L D. J. Raby Bf 109, I./JG 301
10/11 Aug 1944 169 F/O W H. Miller Bf 109
27 Aug 1944 25 BF 109 G, likely Fw Martin Schulze of 1/JG301. wounded
3 Sept 1944 418 F/L S. H. Cotterill Bf 109
6/7 Sept 1944 515 W/C F. Lambert Bf 109
11/12 Sept 1944 85 F/L P. H. Kendall Bf 109 G
13 Sept 1944 140 F/L C. T. Butt Bf 109
30 Sept 1944 418 F/L H. E. Miller Possibly Bf 109 of Schulstaffel ?/I./JG 102
29 Oct 1944 515 F/L F. T. L'Amie Bf 109 JG 102, Fw Heinz Vennemann KIA.
26 Dec 1944 143 F/O Smith Bf 109
11 Jan 1945 143 F/O Clause Whilst taking evasive action, the 109 hit the sea.
11 Jan 1945 235 F/L N. Russell Bf 109 G-14 W.N. 462503, of 14./JG 5. Officer Clemens Koehler KIA.
11 Jan 1945 235 F/L N. Russell Bf 109 G-14 Officer Werner Nieft
26 Jan 1945 FIU F/L P. S. Crompton Bf 109
16 Feb 1945 FEF F/O K. V. Panter Bf 109
16 Feb 1945 FEF F/L P. S. Comptom Bf 109
21/22 Feb 1945 239 W/C W. F. Gibb Likely I./N.J.G 11 Uffz. Hans Martin, Bf 109 G-14, Werk-Nr. 780 716, KIA. Claimed as an Fw 190.
12 March 1945 333 Fnr. T. G. Gulsrud Bf 109 G6 of 13./JG 5, Wrk.Nr. 410780. Oblt. Hans Schneider KIA.
24/25 March 1945 604 F/L L. J. Leppard Bf 109
4/5 April 1945 BSDU S/L R. G. Woodman Bf 109
24/25 March 1945 23 F/O Field Bf 109 probable
Mike Williams
Senior Airman
- 572
- Oct 19, 2006
Fw 190 kills by Mossies as compiled by Mark Huxtable:
14/15 May 1943 157 F/L H. E. Tappin Possibly FW190A-4 5841 of I./SKG 10, flown by Häusler, Uffz. Erich, killed
16/17 May 1943 85 F/O B. J. Thwaites I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
16/17 May 1943 85 S/L W. P. Green I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
16/17 May 1943 85 F/L G. Howitt I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
16/17 May 1943 85 F/O J. D. R. Shaw I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043 - Yellow 4), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
18/19/ May 1943 85 F/O J. P. Lintott Fw 190 A-5 Green 1 of Stab.I/SKG 10, flown by Antwerpen, Oblt. Paul.
21/22 May 1943 85 S/L E. D. Crew Fw 190 A-5/U-8, Wrk.Nr 52624, 3./SKG 10, Uffz. Friederich Kolz, MiA
13/14 June 1943 85 W/C J. Cunningham FW190A-5 840047 of 3./SKG 10, Ullrich, Ltn. Heinz, PoW.
21/22 June 1943 85 F/L W. H. Maguire Fw 190 A-5 2./SKG 10. Klauer, Ltn. Wolfgang
17/18 July 1943 256 Sgt R. A. Smith Fw 190
23/24 Aug 1943 85 W/C J. Cunningham SKG 10. Uffz. Alfred Lembach killed
5/6 Sept 1943 418 S/L R. J. Bennell Likely Fw190 A-6 W.Nr 550600 of 5/JG300, Fw Hermann Beidl killed
6/7 Sept 1943 85 F/L C. G. Houghton 3/SKG 10. May have been GEISLER, Kurt
6/7 Sept 1943 85 S/L G. L. Howitt Fw190A-5 W.NR 51714 3/SKG 10.
8/9 Sept 1943 85 W/C J. Cunningham Breier, Uffz. Helmut
8/9 Sept 1943 85 F/L B. J Thwaites Fw 190 A-5 I/SKG 10 Maxian, Fw. Otto, Burzig, Ltn. Vinzenz and lger, Uffz. Alfred.
8/9 Sept 1943 85 F/L B. J Thwaites Fw 190 A-5 I/SKG 10 Maxian, Fw. Otto, Burzig, Ltn. Vinzenz and lger, Uffz. Alfred.
22/23 Sept 1943 605 F/O A. G. Woods Fw 190 A-4 142347, 6./JG 301, Marten, Fw. Wilhelm, KIA
23/24 Sept 1943 418 F/O J. R. Johnson Fw 190
20/21 Oct 1943 29 Fw 190, I/SKG 10.
21/22 Oct 1943 29 Fw 190
2/3 Nov 1943 85 F/O E. R. Hedgecoe Fw 190
6/7 Nov 1943 85 S/L J. Selway Believed to be, Fw 190 A-5/U8 WKNr. 5823 StG-77, 3/SKG-10 (Rosiers). Fw. Friedrich Pichler
20/21 Nov 1943 29 F/L R. C. Pargeter FW190G-3 160313, I./SKG 10, Jorga, Fw. Kurt PoW
16-Dec-43 333 Fenrik A. H. Wyller Fw 190 A-2 5495, 12./JG5., Uffz. Willi Sürth Killed
2/3 Jan 1944 96 F/L N. S. Head FW 190A-5 52528, 1/SKG10, Lt. G. Stein missing. 2/SKG10 FW 190A-5 51403, Lt. K. Drakhoffer missing.
15/16 Jan 1944 96 S/L A. Parker-Rees Fw 190 A-5, 1./SKG 10 this night. Ofw Rudolf Berghäuser or Fw Georg Sprint of 2/SKG 10.
21/22 Jan 1944 29 F/O C. Musgrave Fw 190
21/22 Jan 1944 29 F/L Jarvis Fw 190 A-5, 1./SKG 10, Ofw Kasper Flosdorfs
29/1 March 1944 96 Fw 190
22/23 March 1944 96 F/L N. S Head Fw 190 G-2 840045, Stab I./SKG 10, Krahner, Ltn. W.
23/24 March 1944 85 S/L B. J. Thwaites Fw 190 G-3 160498, Hpt. Helmut Heisig
24/25 March 1944 141 F/L H. C. Kelsey Fw 190
27/28 March 1944 96 Fw 190
9 April 1944 418 F/O G. N. Miller Fw 190
9 April 1944 418 F/O H. E. Jones May have been an Me 109,
9 April 1944 605 F/L G. Allison Fw 190
23/24 April 1944 141 F/L G. Rice Fw 190
29 April 1944 305 W/C J. R. Braham Fw 190 A-6 530735, 1./JG26, Ofw. Willi Kalitzki Killed
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
8/9 May 1944 418 F/O D. E. Roberts Fw 190
12 May 1944 107 W/C J. R. Braham Fw 190
16 May 1944 418 S/L C.C Scherf Fw 190A-8/R2 680163, 12./JG 3, Uffz. Johannes Staassen killed
7 June 1944 248 W/C A. D. Phillips Fw 190
14/15 June 1944 604 F/O T. R. Wood Fw 190
15/16 June 1944 605 F/O E. L. Williams Fw 190
16/17 June 1944 488 S/L E. N. Bunting Fw 190
17/18 June 1944 264 F/L I. V. Cosby Fw 190
17/18 June 1944 264 F/L M. M. Davison Fw 190
17/18 June 1944 488 F/O D. N. Robinson Fw 190
19/20 June 1944 488 P/O C. J. Vlotman Fw 190
23/24 June 1944 264 S/L P. B. Elwell Fw 190
27/28 June 1944 239 W/C P.M.J. Evans Fw 190
7/8 July 1944 239 W/C P.M.J. Evans Fw 190
8/9 Aug 1944 169 F/L R. G. Woodman Fw 190
8/9 Aug 1944 239 F/L D. Welfare Fw 190, I./JG 301
9/10 Aug 1944 219 F/L M. J. Gloster Fw 190
10/11 Aug 1944 219 F/L G. R. Parker Fw 190
10/11 Aug 1944 409 S/L J. A. Hatch Fw 190
11/12 Aug 1044 409 W/O Henke Fw 190
1/2 Sept 1944 410 F/L I. E. Mac Tavish Fw 190
30 Sept 1944 418 F/L D. E. Forsyth May have been a Bf 109 of Schulstaffel ?/I./JG 102, which was reported crashed 6km E Ålborg on this date.
30 Sept 1944 418 S/L R. G. Gray Fw 190
2/3 Oct 1944 219 F/L J. R. Gard'ner FW 190 G-3, 8./KG 51, Oberfähnrich Werner Leipold baled out
14/15 Oct 1944 239 F/O D. R. Howard Fw 190
29 Oct 1944 515 F/L F. T. L'Amie Fw 190
29/30 Oct 1944 410 Lt. A. A. Harrington FW 190 F-8, 933346, 7./KG 51, Ofhr. Brune Walter MIA.
11/12 Nov 1944 85 F/O A. J. Owen Fw 190
15 Jan 1945 143 Lt. F. Alexandre Fw 190 A-8 737410, 9./JG 5, Offizier Waldow Zeuner (KIA) and Fw 190 A-8 350183, 9./JG 5, Offizier Richard Lehnert (KIA
15 Jan 1945 143 F/L G. Morton-Moncrieff Fw 190 A-8 737410, 9./JG 5, Offizier Waldow Zeuner (KIA) and Fw 190 A-8 350183, 9./JG 5, Offizier Richard Lehnert (KIA
15 Jan 1945 248 F/O Peacock Fw 190 A-3 2172, 9./JG 5, Feldwebel Oskar Helbing killed
16 Feb 1945 Fighter Experimental Flight F/L P. S. Compton Fw 190A-8 170935, II./ZG 101, Best, Ogefr. Erwin KIA
24/25 Feb 1945 Fighter Experimental Flight F/O R. E. Lelong Fw 190
24/25 Feb 1945 Fighter Experimental Flight F/O R. E. Lelong Fw 190
7/8 March 1945 23 F/O E. L. Heath Fw 190
22/23 March 1944 W/O Howells Possibly FW190A-8 732075, III./JG 5, Kohrt, Oblt. Fritz MIA
22/23 March 1944 FW190A-8 350184, III./JG 5, Buchler, Fhr. Friedhelm WIA on 25.3.45 / FW190A-8 732217, III./JG 5 / FW190A-8 737935 III./JG 5
22/23 March 1944 FW190A-8 350184, III./JG 5, Buchler, Fhr. Friedhelm WIA on 25.3.45 / FW190A-8 732217, III./JG 5 / FW190A-8 737935 III./JG 5
30/31 March 1944 264 W/C E. S. Smith Fw 190
7/8 April 1945 85 W/C K. Davison Fw 190
13/14 April 1945 600 S/L G. W. Hammond Fw 190
23/34 April 1945 409 F/O E. E. Hermanson Fw 190
24/25 April 1945 264 F/L S. J. Moss Fw 190
25/26 April 1945 264 P/O J. Hutton E/A may have been from NSGr.20
Sorry about the bad formatting.
14/15 May 1943 157 F/L H. E. Tappin Possibly FW190A-4 5841 of I./SKG 10, flown by Häusler, Uffz. Erich, killed
16/17 May 1943 85 F/O B. J. Thwaites I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
16/17 May 1943 85 S/L W. P. Green I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
16/17 May 1943 85 F/L G. Howitt I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
16/17 May 1943 85 F/O J. D. R. Shaw I/SKG 10 lost two 190s without trace ('A4 5838 and 'A5 840043 - Yellow 4), and two more crashed in France seriously damaged.
18/19/ May 1943 85 F/O J. P. Lintott Fw 190 A-5 Green 1 of Stab.I/SKG 10, flown by Antwerpen, Oblt. Paul.
21/22 May 1943 85 S/L E. D. Crew Fw 190 A-5/U-8, Wrk.Nr 52624, 3./SKG 10, Uffz. Friederich Kolz, MiA
13/14 June 1943 85 W/C J. Cunningham FW190A-5 840047 of 3./SKG 10, Ullrich, Ltn. Heinz, PoW.
21/22 June 1943 85 F/L W. H. Maguire Fw 190 A-5 2./SKG 10. Klauer, Ltn. Wolfgang
17/18 July 1943 256 Sgt R. A. Smith Fw 190
23/24 Aug 1943 85 W/C J. Cunningham SKG 10. Uffz. Alfred Lembach killed
5/6 Sept 1943 418 S/L R. J. Bennell Likely Fw190 A-6 W.Nr 550600 of 5/JG300, Fw Hermann Beidl killed
6/7 Sept 1943 85 F/L C. G. Houghton 3/SKG 10. May have been GEISLER, Kurt
6/7 Sept 1943 85 S/L G. L. Howitt Fw190A-5 W.NR 51714 3/SKG 10.
8/9 Sept 1943 85 W/C J. Cunningham Breier, Uffz. Helmut
8/9 Sept 1943 85 F/L B. J Thwaites Fw 190 A-5 I/SKG 10 Maxian, Fw. Otto, Burzig, Ltn. Vinzenz and lger, Uffz. Alfred.
8/9 Sept 1943 85 F/L B. J Thwaites Fw 190 A-5 I/SKG 10 Maxian, Fw. Otto, Burzig, Ltn. Vinzenz and lger, Uffz. Alfred.
22/23 Sept 1943 605 F/O A. G. Woods Fw 190 A-4 142347, 6./JG 301, Marten, Fw. Wilhelm, KIA
23/24 Sept 1943 418 F/O J. R. Johnson Fw 190
20/21 Oct 1943 29 Fw 190, I/SKG 10.
21/22 Oct 1943 29 Fw 190
2/3 Nov 1943 85 F/O E. R. Hedgecoe Fw 190
6/7 Nov 1943 85 S/L J. Selway Believed to be, Fw 190 A-5/U8 WKNr. 5823 StG-77, 3/SKG-10 (Rosiers). Fw. Friedrich Pichler
20/21 Nov 1943 29 F/L R. C. Pargeter FW190G-3 160313, I./SKG 10, Jorga, Fw. Kurt PoW
16-Dec-43 333 Fenrik A. H. Wyller Fw 190 A-2 5495, 12./JG5., Uffz. Willi Sürth Killed
2/3 Jan 1944 96 F/L N. S. Head FW 190A-5 52528, 1/SKG10, Lt. G. Stein missing. 2/SKG10 FW 190A-5 51403, Lt. K. Drakhoffer missing.
15/16 Jan 1944 96 S/L A. Parker-Rees Fw 190 A-5, 1./SKG 10 this night. Ofw Rudolf Berghäuser or Fw Georg Sprint of 2/SKG 10.
21/22 Jan 1944 29 F/O C. Musgrave Fw 190
21/22 Jan 1944 29 F/L Jarvis Fw 190 A-5, 1./SKG 10, Ofw Kasper Flosdorfs
29/1 March 1944 96 Fw 190
22/23 March 1944 96 F/L N. S Head Fw 190 G-2 840045, Stab I./SKG 10, Krahner, Ltn. W.
23/24 March 1944 85 S/L B. J. Thwaites Fw 190 G-3 160498, Hpt. Helmut Heisig
24/25 March 1944 141 F/L H. C. Kelsey Fw 190
27/28 March 1944 96 Fw 190
9 April 1944 418 F/O G. N. Miller Fw 190
9 April 1944 418 F/O H. E. Jones May have been an Me 109,
9 April 1944 605 F/L G. Allison Fw 190
23/24 April 1944 141 F/L G. Rice Fw 190
29 April 1944 305 W/C J. R. Braham Fw 190 A-6 530735, 1./JG26, Ofw. Willi Kalitzki Killed
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
2/3 May 1944 418 S/L R. A. Kipp Fw 190
8/9 May 1944 418 F/O D. E. Roberts Fw 190
12 May 1944 107 W/C J. R. Braham Fw 190
16 May 1944 418 S/L C.C Scherf Fw 190A-8/R2 680163, 12./JG 3, Uffz. Johannes Staassen killed
7 June 1944 248 W/C A. D. Phillips Fw 190
14/15 June 1944 604 F/O T. R. Wood Fw 190
15/16 June 1944 605 F/O E. L. Williams Fw 190
16/17 June 1944 488 S/L E. N. Bunting Fw 190
17/18 June 1944 264 F/L I. V. Cosby Fw 190
17/18 June 1944 264 F/L M. M. Davison Fw 190
17/18 June 1944 488 F/O D. N. Robinson Fw 190
19/20 June 1944 488 P/O C. J. Vlotman Fw 190
23/24 June 1944 264 S/L P. B. Elwell Fw 190
27/28 June 1944 239 W/C P.M.J. Evans Fw 190
7/8 July 1944 239 W/C P.M.J. Evans Fw 190
8/9 Aug 1944 169 F/L R. G. Woodman Fw 190
8/9 Aug 1944 239 F/L D. Welfare Fw 190, I./JG 301
9/10 Aug 1944 219 F/L M. J. Gloster Fw 190
10/11 Aug 1944 219 F/L G. R. Parker Fw 190
10/11 Aug 1944 409 S/L J. A. Hatch Fw 190
11/12 Aug 1044 409 W/O Henke Fw 190
1/2 Sept 1944 410 F/L I. E. Mac Tavish Fw 190
30 Sept 1944 418 F/L D. E. Forsyth May have been a Bf 109 of Schulstaffel ?/I./JG 102, which was reported crashed 6km E Ålborg on this date.
30 Sept 1944 418 S/L R. G. Gray Fw 190
2/3 Oct 1944 219 F/L J. R. Gard'ner FW 190 G-3, 8./KG 51, Oberfähnrich Werner Leipold baled out
14/15 Oct 1944 239 F/O D. R. Howard Fw 190
29 Oct 1944 515 F/L F. T. L'Amie Fw 190
29/30 Oct 1944 410 Lt. A. A. Harrington FW 190 F-8, 933346, 7./KG 51, Ofhr. Brune Walter MIA.
11/12 Nov 1944 85 F/O A. J. Owen Fw 190
15 Jan 1945 143 Lt. F. Alexandre Fw 190 A-8 737410, 9./JG 5, Offizier Waldow Zeuner (KIA) and Fw 190 A-8 350183, 9./JG 5, Offizier Richard Lehnert (KIA
15 Jan 1945 143 F/L G. Morton-Moncrieff Fw 190 A-8 737410, 9./JG 5, Offizier Waldow Zeuner (KIA) and Fw 190 A-8 350183, 9./JG 5, Offizier Richard Lehnert (KIA
15 Jan 1945 248 F/O Peacock Fw 190 A-3 2172, 9./JG 5, Feldwebel Oskar Helbing killed
16 Feb 1945 Fighter Experimental Flight F/L P. S. Compton Fw 190A-8 170935, II./ZG 101, Best, Ogefr. Erwin KIA
24/25 Feb 1945 Fighter Experimental Flight F/O R. E. Lelong Fw 190
24/25 Feb 1945 Fighter Experimental Flight F/O R. E. Lelong Fw 190
7/8 March 1945 23 F/O E. L. Heath Fw 190
22/23 March 1944 W/O Howells Possibly FW190A-8 732075, III./JG 5, Kohrt, Oblt. Fritz MIA
22/23 March 1944 FW190A-8 350184, III./JG 5, Buchler, Fhr. Friedhelm WIA on 25.3.45 / FW190A-8 732217, III./JG 5 / FW190A-8 737935 III./JG 5
22/23 March 1944 FW190A-8 350184, III./JG 5, Buchler, Fhr. Friedhelm WIA on 25.3.45 / FW190A-8 732217, III./JG 5 / FW190A-8 737935 III./JG 5
30/31 March 1944 264 W/C E. S. Smith Fw 190
7/8 April 1945 85 W/C K. Davison Fw 190
13/14 April 1945 600 S/L G. W. Hammond Fw 190
23/34 April 1945 409 F/O E. E. Hermanson Fw 190
24/25 April 1945 264 F/L S. J. Moss Fw 190
25/26 April 1945 264 P/O J. Hutton E/A may have been from NSGr.20
Sorry about the bad formatting.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Thanks Mike!
Heinz Vennemann is listed KIA on October 29th 1944. Thats wrong, he was shot down on October 8th 1944 at 1.45 pm
GregP
Major
The Planes of Fame has a visiting Mosquito reasonably often. Most often, Steve Hinton flies it. The bomber version has a control wheel and the fighter version has a stick (typical British stick that breaks for roll in the middle of the stick). According to Steve, it flies very nicely, but is not anything you would care to engage a single-engine fighter in combat with unless you yourself were bounced and had no choice or you were ambushing the SE fighter and were going fast enough to escape if you happened to miss your shot.
A B-25 with the standard armament and an addition four 50s on the side of the nose is formidable from the front, but not going to live against a single-engine fighter flown by a competent pilot in most cases. The Mosquito is faster and more maneuverable than the B-25 ever thought of being, but not enough to make it a fighter against a dedicated single-engine fighter.
Please don't say things like it will out-turn a single-engine fighter because we KNOW that it won't. Steve has flown several Mosquitoes and he has time in just about ALL the fighters of WWII that have flown over the last 50 years. I, for one, believe him.
Yes, you can ambush a single-engine fighter and kill it or get one from a good, solid firing pass, but you'd best hope his friends can't catch you. Mostly, they can't if you are at speed. But, if they DO, the Mosquito will very likely be in some difficulty since it will NOT out-maneuver any competently-flown single-engine fighter and isn't generally quite as fast if the SE fighter is up to speed instead of being caught at low cruise speed.
It absolutely DOES make a great fighter-bomber. Accent on the attack and bomber part. The fighter part is a bit suspect and depends on the competition.
I'd think a Mosquito and Bf 110 might make a good dogfight. The Mosquito is likely 20 - 40 mph faster and might or might not be better-armed. Depends on the variant involved. The Bf 110 had lower wing loading and better power loading by a decent margin ... and it didn't usually do well against single-engine opposition, either. The Mosquito had more speed, and that is where it could shine. Hit and git ...
If the Mosquito was up to speed and fast, it could ambush with the best of them and the FB versions had a good punch if they got a shot at a target. But you aren't going to slow it down, dogfight with it at medium speeds, and expect to be competitive with a single-engine fighter.
Edit: This post is NOT meant to denigrate the Mosquito. It is a wonderful airplane and did its job quite superlatively. But, it isn't a fighter in the same class as a dedicate single-engine fighter aircraft. That's all I am trying to say. The only twin I know of that came close to being a match for single-engine fighter is the P-38 Lightning, and we all know what the Luftwaffe rank and file of pilots thought of the P-38 as a dogfighter.
None of this detracts from the beautiful Mosquito in its element and on a high-profile mission. It was a true winner. It just wasn't a fighter airplane in a skyfull of single-engine fighters.
Were there exceptions? Sure. Not many and not often.
A B-25 with the standard armament and an addition four 50s on the side of the nose is formidable from the front, but not going to live against a single-engine fighter flown by a competent pilot in most cases. The Mosquito is faster and more maneuverable than the B-25 ever thought of being, but not enough to make it a fighter against a dedicated single-engine fighter.
Please don't say things like it will out-turn a single-engine fighter because we KNOW that it won't. Steve has flown several Mosquitoes and he has time in just about ALL the fighters of WWII that have flown over the last 50 years. I, for one, believe him.
Yes, you can ambush a single-engine fighter and kill it or get one from a good, solid firing pass, but you'd best hope his friends can't catch you. Mostly, they can't if you are at speed. But, if they DO, the Mosquito will very likely be in some difficulty since it will NOT out-maneuver any competently-flown single-engine fighter and isn't generally quite as fast if the SE fighter is up to speed instead of being caught at low cruise speed.
It absolutely DOES make a great fighter-bomber. Accent on the attack and bomber part. The fighter part is a bit suspect and depends on the competition.
I'd think a Mosquito and Bf 110 might make a good dogfight. The Mosquito is likely 20 - 40 mph faster and might or might not be better-armed. Depends on the variant involved. The Bf 110 had lower wing loading and better power loading by a decent margin ... and it didn't usually do well against single-engine opposition, either. The Mosquito had more speed, and that is where it could shine. Hit and git ...
If the Mosquito was up to speed and fast, it could ambush with the best of them and the FB versions had a good punch if they got a shot at a target. But you aren't going to slow it down, dogfight with it at medium speeds, and expect to be competitive with a single-engine fighter.
Edit: This post is NOT meant to denigrate the Mosquito. It is a wonderful airplane and did its job quite superlatively. But, it isn't a fighter in the same class as a dedicate single-engine fighter aircraft. That's all I am trying to say. The only twin I know of that came close to being a match for single-engine fighter is the P-38 Lightning, and we all know what the Luftwaffe rank and file of pilots thought of the P-38 as a dogfighter.
None of this detracts from the beautiful Mosquito in its element and on a high-profile mission. It was a true winner. It just wasn't a fighter airplane in a skyfull of single-engine fighters.
Were there exceptions? Sure. Not many and not often.
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Sons of Anzac
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And to add an Aussie story- Keith Miller, a later famous cricket fast bowler, commented to Michael Parkinson something like 'pressure in sport? thats nothing compared to having a Messerschmidt up your ass'. Obviously, yes they could survive and often did, but like so many things one slip and your dead.
He flew Mosquitos, was sent on several action-filled missions, had quite a few near-death experiences, met Denis Compton, and played a lot of cricket in England. On one flight, Miller veered away from the stipulated flying formation and returned to base late because he wanted to fly over Bonn, the birthplace of Beethoven.
Many years later, when asked about the pressures in playing cricket, Miller famously told Michael Parkinson: "Pressure is a Messerschmitt up your arse, playing cricket is not."
He flew Mosquitos, was sent on several action-filled missions, had quite a few near-death experiences, met Denis Compton, and played a lot of cricket in England. On one flight, Miller veered away from the stipulated flying formation and returned to base late because he wanted to fly over Bonn, the birthplace of Beethoven.
Many years later, when asked about the pressures in playing cricket, Miller famously told Michael Parkinson: "Pressure is a Messerschmitt up your arse, playing cricket is not."
Keith Miller - the dashing, debonair dazzler — CricketMash
Keith Miller, born November 28, 1919, was the greatest all-rounder to ever take the field for Australia. Arunabha Sengupta pays homage to the dashing and debonair ‘Nugget’ who demonstrated that there was a lot more to life than cricket.
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Good post.
I know that flight sims are not real stuff, but I can confirm that this is how Mosquito is modelled and performs in the digital universe. You can have a lucky shot on the single-engined fighter with all your guns and then run and pray. Towards the clouds or friendly flak positions. No tight turns, no aerobatics. Never slow down until you are on the final approach or overheated.
Mosquito vs Bf 110 in a flight sim is a good test of both pilots' skills. Mossie has a speed advantage usually, but one small mistake and the Bf 110 can turn tables around.
Shortround6
Major General
Some clues can be found in the "G" levels that some aircraft were stressed at.
For instance the B-25 was never rated at over 4 Gs. Granted if it was running very, very light the plane might have pulled 6-7 Gs without breaking but the plane was well into the danger zone and was pushing the structural failure limits.
I believe the British rated the Mosquito at 5 1/2 Gs?
I don't know what the Bf 110 was rated at.
The P-51 was rated at 8 Gs but at a very, very low weight that was rarely seen in practice.
Most single engine, single seat fighters were originally designed for 8 Gs service load with a certain amount of overload or margin, often 50%.
Now G loadings are not turn radius but trying to use a twin engine plane as a maneuver plane when it was never designed to do perform that way is rarely (never?) going to end well.
One is reminded of the experimental B-25 that was given R-2800 engines and broke up in a test flight at the factory. The Pilot pulled up too hard from a high speed, low altitude pass.
Trying to use a twin engine plane that was not designed as a "fighter" at high G loads with a pilot that was trying to keep from blacking out (or graying out) and with no G meter sounds like a recipe for disaster.
A few single engine fighter pilots may have turned too hard and stalled/spun in or blacked out and not recovered in time. But that is not good planning on the part of the twin engine plane's pilots.
For instance the B-25 was never rated at over 4 Gs. Granted if it was running very, very light the plane might have pulled 6-7 Gs without breaking but the plane was well into the danger zone and was pushing the structural failure limits.
I believe the British rated the Mosquito at 5 1/2 Gs?
I don't know what the Bf 110 was rated at.
The P-51 was rated at 8 Gs but at a very, very low weight that was rarely seen in practice.
Most single engine, single seat fighters were originally designed for 8 Gs service load with a certain amount of overload or margin, often 50%.
Now G loadings are not turn radius but trying to use a twin engine plane as a maneuver plane when it was never designed to do perform that way is rarely (never?) going to end well.
One is reminded of the experimental B-25 that was given R-2800 engines and broke up in a test flight at the factory. The Pilot pulled up too hard from a high speed, low altitude pass.
Trying to use a twin engine plane that was not designed as a "fighter" at high G loads with a pilot that was trying to keep from blacking out (or graying out) and with no G meter sounds like a recipe for disaster.
A few single engine fighter pilots may have turned too hard and stalled/spun in or blacked out and not recovered in time. But that is not good planning on the part of the twin engine plane's pilots.
GregP
Major
I'd have to research the Hornet. On the face of, the Hornet HAS the speed and armament.
The wing loading was Mosquito-like and about 25% heavier than a Focke-Wuld Fw 190D. The power loading was 5.0. A Curtiss-Wright CW-21 had a power loading of 4.5 and an Fw 190D had a power loading of 4.7. Very close to a Hornet.
Off the cuff, I'd have to rank the Hornet as a "Heavy Fighter".
Perhaps it COULD hold it's own against SE fighters, but I'd guess it would be not quite as good a turner as a Focke-Wulf 190 of any variety. It had good hitting power and decent maneuver capability against other twins, but the pilot might want to make a pass and haul away without hanging around to dogfight. In real life, it possibly COULD be a decent dogfighter, but I'd bet not in the same class as a single-engine fighter.
The wing loading was Mosquito-like and about 25% heavier than a Focke-Wuld Fw 190D. The power loading was 5.0. A Curtiss-Wright CW-21 had a power loading of 4.5 and an Fw 190D had a power loading of 4.7. Very close to a Hornet.
Off the cuff, I'd have to rank the Hornet as a "Heavy Fighter".
Perhaps it COULD hold it's own against SE fighters, but I'd guess it would be not quite as good a turner as a Focke-Wulf 190 of any variety. It had good hitting power and decent maneuver capability against other twins, but the pilot might want to make a pass and haul away without hanging around to dogfight. In real life, it possibly COULD be a decent dogfighter, but I'd bet not in the same class as a single-engine fighter.
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General conclusions of the CFE (formerly the AFDU):
Although the Hornet was designed for the role of a long range fighter, it is felt that the main requirement for such a fighter was not borne in mind during the designing stage.
The cockpit is too small to allow the average pilot to fly long endurance sorties with a reasonable measure of comfort. He is unable to relax his muscles by periodically changing the position of his body and legs, and such amenities as urine tube and arm rests are entirely lacking.
In the event of the failure of the single generator on the port engine, or the engine itself, the accumulators would rapidly become discharged due to the number of dependent services and the aircraft would then be without Gun Firing Control, Gunsight, Radio, R.I. Compass, Fuel Gauges, Radiator Flap Actuating Gear, Booster Pumps and all engine instruments. Even for peace time flying, loss of these services would constitute a serious hazard, especially in bad weather conditions. From a tactical point of view these disabilities would become progressively acute when the aircraft was used in the long range operational role; the greater the distance from the base, the less chance there would be of the pilot returning safely.
All of these hazards, added to that of single engine flying, would be eliminated if a continuous supply of electrical power were assured by the provision of a second generator on the starboard engine.
During long range escort duties the Hornet might be compelled to engage in combat with short range interceptor fighters of great speed and manoeuvrability. The excellent all-round view from the Hornet would afford the enemy small chance of achieving surprise.
The Hornet is not designed for long distance strikes or air to ground offensive support, but it is considered that this aircraft is suitable for this alternative role.
Although the Hornet has good acceleration, rate of climb and top speed, these qualities are not sufficient to provide full compensation for the relatively low rates of turn and roll. With such fundamental technical limitations the Hornet pilot would find himself inevitably at a serious tactical disadvantage.
Although the Hornet was designed for the role of a long range fighter, it is felt that the main requirement for such a fighter was not borne in mind during the designing stage.
The cockpit is too small to allow the average pilot to fly long endurance sorties with a reasonable measure of comfort. He is unable to relax his muscles by periodically changing the position of his body and legs, and such amenities as urine tube and arm rests are entirely lacking.
In the event of the failure of the single generator on the port engine, or the engine itself, the accumulators would rapidly become discharged due to the number of dependent services and the aircraft would then be without Gun Firing Control, Gunsight, Radio, R.I. Compass, Fuel Gauges, Radiator Flap Actuating Gear, Booster Pumps and all engine instruments. Even for peace time flying, loss of these services would constitute a serious hazard, especially in bad weather conditions. From a tactical point of view these disabilities would become progressively acute when the aircraft was used in the long range operational role; the greater the distance from the base, the less chance there would be of the pilot returning safely.
All of these hazards, added to that of single engine flying, would be eliminated if a continuous supply of electrical power were assured by the provision of a second generator on the starboard engine.
During long range escort duties the Hornet might be compelled to engage in combat with short range interceptor fighters of great speed and manoeuvrability. The excellent all-round view from the Hornet would afford the enemy small chance of achieving surprise.
The Hornet is not designed for long distance strikes or air to ground offensive support, but it is considered that this aircraft is suitable for this alternative role.
Although the Hornet has good acceleration, rate of climb and top speed, these qualities are not sufficient to provide full compensation for the relatively low rates of turn and roll. With such fundamental technical limitations the Hornet pilot would find himself inevitably at a serious tactical disadvantage.
ThomasP
Chief Master Sergeant
FWIW the ultimate load factor for the Mosquito in its F Mk II form was 8G (at 18,500 lbs), while the Hornet F Mk I and SeaHornet Mk 20 were 10G (at 16,000 and 16,500 lbs respectively).
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