FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
That 11 year old comment was more cynical than anything else BUT
If that P-51H was flown by a "SAF regular" the outcome would have possibly been the same!!!
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That 11 year old comment was more cynical than anything else BUTPut that same Corsair driver up against a P-51H and would've gotten waxed...
If that P-51H was flown by a SAF regular the outcome would have possibly been the same!!!
I'll call BS on that - an old neighbor Col Mike Alba trained the HAF Corsair pilots including Colonel Fernando Soto. He set up a dedicated air combat school similar to what was found in the US with emphasis on aerial and ground gunnery. When the shooting started it was quickly discovered the SAF was poorly trained and eventually sought mercenaries to fly their aircraft. The war ended before El Salvador could counter the losses of 3 mustangs.I doubt it...the "H" model Mustang was so superior to any model Corsair, even in the hands of a bad pilot, it still would probably come out on top...
I'll call BS on that - an old neighbor Col Mike Alba trained the HAF Corsair pilots including Colonel Fernando Soto. He set up a dedicated air combat school similar to what was found in the US with emphasis on aerial and ground gunnery. When the shooting started it was quickly discovered the SAF was poorly trained and eventually sought mercenaries to fly their aircraft. The war ended before El Salvador could counter the losses of 3 mustangs.
El Salvador could of had F-86s - if you didn't have the trained pilots to fly them they become a non event
And I'll refer you back to my original statement - "That 11 year old comment was more cynical than anything else."Then I guess I don't understand the original point...if the SAF's pilots were that bad, then Soto could've shot down their Mustangs with a Buffalo Brewster...it had nothing to do with the Corsair being better than the Mustang...
Whether a P51H would or would not beat a F4U Corsair has no bearing on whether they should have been cancelled. World history would not change one iota without a P51H taking to the air. Obviously a different story for the B/C and D models. As a carrier or land based SE fighter bomber the Corsair has its place in history, as does the land based escort fighter P51. Neither should have been cancelled except for the P51H which (in hindsight) did not justify the money spent purely because the war was over.
Here is where I offend everyone ....the P-38 what a heap of badly built and expensive junk. Lockheed practicing for the F-35.....
Poor quality control in manufacturing with leaks in the turbo piping being being common at manufacture, let alone after front line use, absurdities like ever more powerful engines.. that couldn't be utlised because of a terrible intercooler design.
Draggy, horrible mach limit (worse operating restrictions on diving than a Lancaster). Did I mention unrealiable, hard to maintain. Horrible pilot work load, too busy just trying to fy the thing to actually fight.
So-so guns crippled by a low ammo load (I mean 50 rounds for its 20mm cannon).
Oh and that mach limit, top level speed of a later model barely under its 'lawn dart' speed.
Expensive...the list goes on and on and on....... In reality the Me-110 was a better plane, at least it made a great night fghter.
The USAAF dumped them as fast as they could, even preferred Spits and Mossies for recon planes....
On the plus side at least it wasn't as bad as a Me-210 or a Do-335......
What an achievement it was for the pilots to achieve what they did then, in what amounts to a piece of junk.Here is where I offend everyone ....the P-38 what a heap of badly built and expensive junk. Lockheed practicing for the F-35.....
Here is where I offend everyone ....the P-38 what a heap of badly built and expensive junk. Lockheed practicing for the F-35......
Here is where I offend everyone ....the P-38 what a heap of badly built and expensive junk. Lockheed practicing for the F-35.....
Poor quality control in manufacturing with leaks in the turbo piping being being common at manufacture, let alone after front line use, absurdities like ever more powerful engines.. that couldn't be utlised because of a terrible intercooler design.
Draggy, horrible mach limit (worse operating restrictions on diving than a Lancaster). Did I mention unrealiable, hard to maintain. Horrible pilot work load, too busy just trying to fy the thing to actually fight.
So-so guns crippled by a low ammo load (I mean 50 rounds for its 20mm cannon).
Oh and that mach limit, top level speed of a later model barely under its 'lawn dart' speed.
Expensive...the list goes on and on and on....... In reality the Me-110 was a better plane, at least it made a great night fghter.
The USAAF dumped them as fast as they could, even preferred Spits and Mossies for recon planes....
On the plus side at least it wasn't as bad as a Me-210 or a Do-335......
What was so terrible about the Do-335?
I also don't think the P-38 was as bad as it is made out to be by Lisa here.
Re. 20 mm cannon ammo count for the P-38 - it was 60 rd drum up until -G, while the -H (1st delivery March 1943) got belt-fed cannons, 150 rpg.
There are more ways to skin a cat. The conventional layout of the Hornet has it's advantages - no new, unknown tech, easy installation of armament, in most of the cases easy additon of second crew meber, can be much lighter than twin boom - too bad Lockheed did not came out with P-38 in calssic layout.
The push-pull has it's advantages, that grew lesser with increase in engine power and approaching the 450-500 mph speed range, though they avoid the venturi effect that plagued P-38. What P-38 have had against Hornet and Do 335 was that it really was there when mattered, timing being a major thing for a wepon of war.
We can also recall that Hornet did it's job on next-gen aircraft engines, while Do 335 used 'legacy' engines for same turn of speed.
As a what-if, too bad Dornier did not went out earlier with such a concept, employing two Jumo 211 or DB 601/605 engines.
Re. 20 mm cannon ammo count for the P-38 - it was 60 rd drum up until -G, while the -H (1st delivery March 1943) got belt-fed cannons, 150 rpg.