The Basket
Senior Master Sergeant
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- Jun 27, 2007
Empire: We want to conquer your country.
Native: What happens if we say no?
Empire: You have chosen poorly.
Native: What happens if we say no?
Empire: You have chosen poorly.
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Afghanistan would like a word.Empire: We want to conquer your country.
Native: What happens if we say no?
Empire: You have chosen poorly.
The US hasn't left Afghanistan, they conducted a draw-down, as the bulk of US and Allied armed forces were no longer needed since the restored Afghan Government and Military has stabilized.Afghanistan would like a word.
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The foreigners kept coming, but the locals, be them BarakzaI, Mujahideen, Taliban, etc. always remained on the field as the foreigners fled. Why Bush Jr. and friends thought their attempt was going to be any different than Elphinstone's is pure hubris.
Those were the more successful ones.The US hasn't left Afghanistan, they conducted a draw-down, as the bulk of US and Allied armed forces were no longer needed since the restored Afghan Government and Military has stabilized.
On the list of invaders, however, the Mongols, Persians, Mughals and Sikhs need to be added.
I'd say that ousting the Taliban and getting Afghanistan back on their feet was successful.Those were the more successful ones.
And try to impose a western culture of human rights onto an age old indigenous warrior society of tribal loyalty and feudal rule much more compatible with the harsher aspects of Islam than with western egalitarianism. Recipe for failure.Unlike all the other invasions, the U.S. led coalition wasn't there to conquer and occupy, but clean the place up and go home.
Afghanistan was very western before the Soviets tried to turn it into a client state.And try to impose a western culture of human rights onto an age old indigenous warrior society of tribal loyalty and feudal rule much more compatible with the harsher aspects of Islam than with western egalitarianism. Recipe for failure.
Kabul and a few provincial capitals, maybe, but not the countryside.Afghanistan was very western before the Soviets tried to turn it into a client state.
[...] since the restored Afghan Government and Military has stabilized.
Kabul and a few provincial capitals, maybe, but not the countryside.
The urban elites, yes, but everywhere else, not so much. And western powers, primarily the US, exploiting the mujahedeen to fight the Soviets on our behalf, then dropping them like a hot potato had a lot to do with fueling that religious extremism.There were quite a few nations that were progressively western until the rise of religious extremism
The urban elites, yes, but everywhere else, not so much. And western powers, primarily the US, exploiting the mujahedeen to fight the Soviets on our behalf, then dropping them like a hot potato had a lot to do with fueling that religious extremism.
So would I. Great idea! Click on the envelope icon and you can start a private conversation with up to five members. Count me in. Thanks.I'd really like to read Artesh's opinions on this. How do I ping someone to a conversation?
I've found private conversations an excellent way to discuss differences of opinion or misunderstandings without "airing the dirty laundry" in public and inhibiting people's expression.I just sent him a PM linking to this convo and asking his comment. Hopefully he has the time and inclination to do so. I figured it makes sense to just keep it here, m'self.