one question of colors of luftwaffe 1944-45

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    destrozas Well-Known Member

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    raises another question I have my doubts about the coloration clamorous RLM in 1944 and almost running out of FW190 in particular began to appear with colors more greenish gray RLM 76 for the sides especially as many call it and give RLM99 a reference fs595a of fs34226.
    he shall surely have that, not a fading l stoops quality pigments was RLM 76 or if the color?.
    I'm preparing to do two fw 190 d9 and d13 and would like to know is Cirta and uncertain, even in addition to learning more from you.
     
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    Sergio,

    The RLM99 colour was a kind of a preservative paint but not the one of a camo scheme, in fact. Its tonality was similar to the RAF Sky S type. According to a few references the paint wasn't covered with another camo paint because of problems with a supply of paints at the war end. Also undersides of Doras were painted for the reason partially only. The so-called RLM99 has been found of at laest four tonalities so far, FS34432, FS34554, FS34583-FS34672. However its tonalities depended on a kind of surface ( primered or not etc...) it was applied on.
     
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    #3 stona, Jan 30, 2012
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    I think you mean RLM 84.
    Infact the suffix 99 means "precise shade is unimportant". (Luftwaffe Verordnungsblatt 16 5/4/43. This is a list of ammendments to be made to L.Dv.521/1 and L.Dv.521/2.)

    RLM 84 is a modern construct dating from the 1980s. There is no surviving documentary evidence to suggest that the RLM ever approved such a colour. It is however self evident that some late war aircraft were being produced with an undersurface colour which was substantially different to any accepted shade of RLM 76. It was either a new colour for which documentation does not survive or a version of RLM 76 forced on the RLM by the paint manufacturers who were no longer able to meet the standard for the more familiar Blue/Grey version of RLM 76 due to shortages of materials. You take your pick! I don't know,and nor does anyone else.

    There was no requirement to prime aluminium or magnesium alloys before the application of Warnecke and Boehm's resin based "Ikarol" lacquers. These were manufactured by W+B and by various contractors "according to an original manufacturer's recipe" (L.Dv.521/1 November 1941)
    Warnecke and Boehm had started to dominate the market by 1938 and controlled it by 1941. Many of the contractors making their lacquers in 1941 were former competitors. Commercial activity continues in wartime!

    On a model to represent "RLM 84" I start with RAF "Sky" and add a little RLM 76. There is no need to worry about an exact shade,just find something that looks right to you.

    Here is my version,juxtaposed with the more normal shade,on a Bf109K-4.

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    Cheers
    Steve
     
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    thank you very much for your clarification, is that according to a thinking that I know the rlm99 never existed as such but with the end dela war Germany did not have pimera material for paintings which gave a deterioration and fading of colors giving the confusion of the appearance of colors rlm84 v2 rlm83 v2 3-4 and rlm99, but looking at pages rlm99 saw the thought that if it was an actual color that the ordinance in August 1944 to the current arises bayer to manufacture 100 tons of this color that ordinance but I have not seen.
    Well I stay clear thank you both for the help Stona know where to find those files to read them?
     
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