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But when she ran right it did the jobThe Su-2 seems to have been a bit of a problem child?
But when she ran right it did the job
Although 910 Su-2s were built by the time production was discontinued in 1942,[2] the aircraft was obsolete and underarmed by the start of the Great Patriotic War. In combat, the Su-2 ground attack aircraft squadrons suffered heavy losses against the Germans, with some 222 aircraft destroyed. From 1942, the Su-2 was withdrawn from the frontline and replaced by Ilyushin Il-2, Petlyakov Pe-2 and Tupolev Tu-2 bombers. The Su-2 was relegated to a training and reconnaissance role. However, due to a critical shortage of aircraft in early World War II, some Su-2s were used as emergency fighters.[1]
HiWondering how these 4 compare and who was best in the attack role I'd list them as P-47 frist decnt range decent power decent bomb load and it can be used as a fighter 2 is the IL-2 good bomb load and good armor 3 is the SU-2 just an older IL-2 style aircraft 4 is the the typhoon not armored as well as everyone else and the bomb load isnt as good
Only 893 Su-2 were built. Probably about 800 were used in operations, most of them in 1941-1942. At least 100 - as recon and artillery spotter. It is no surprise, that they were less known to Germans than Il-2 and Pe-2 that operated in thousands.I've never read any German complaints about Su-2s foiling their plans, while the other three certainly made a deep impression on the Luftwaffe in the CAS role.
Wondering how these 4 compare and who was best in the attack role I'd list them as P-47 frist decnt range decent power decent bomb load and it can be used as a fighter 2 is the IL-2 good bomb load and good armor 3 is the SU-2 just an older IL-2 style aircraft 4 is the the typhoon not armored as well as everyone else and the bomb load isnt as good
Only 893 Su-2 were built. Probably about 800 were used in operations, most of them in 1941-1942. At least 100 - as recon and artillery spotter. It is no surprise, that they were less known to Germans than Il-2 and Pe-2 that operated in thousands.
Those huge wings are crying out for 3 Hispano's each side.I will probably earn some backlash by saying so, but I wonder if the P-47 couldn't have been improved for the CAS role
The Su-2 was also pressed into an interim fighter role at times, too.I would not add Il-2 and Su-2 into the comparison with P-47 and Typhoon. The first two were products of the pre WW2 thinking and of Soviet technology.
Il-2 and Su-2 represent different categories: the former was a dedicated CAS aircraft (shturmovik) while the latter was a so-called "close range(short-range) bomber". Su-2 was more versatile by design.
I risk attracting a lot of critiques, especially among my fellow Russians, but I consider Il-2 as a waste of resources and a perfect candidate to the "the most overrated aircraft of WWII". While Su-2, in my opinion, belongs to the most "underrated" league. The decision to shut down the production of Su-2 in 1941 was a big mistake. Again, IMO.
According to wiki 350KgDidn't the Typhoon gain a lot of armour around the engine and cooling system when it was moved into the ground support role? Did the P-47 get any additional armour for the ground support role?
And the Typhoon was cleared to use 2 x 1,000lb bombs, not unlike the P-47. Somewhat more than the Il-2 or Su-2 cold carry.
Loss figures are still debatable. I can't find the totals for all war periods.... and over 200 of the Sukhois were lost. Not a sterling record.
I would not add Il-2 and Su-2 into the comparison with P-47 and Typhoon. The first two were products of the pre WW2 thinking and of Soviet technology.
Il-2 and Su-2 represent different categories: the former was a dedicated CAS aircraft (shturmovik) while the latter was a so-called "close range(short-range) bomber". Su-2 was more versatile by design.
I risk attracting a lot of critiques, especially among my fellow Russians, but I consider Il-2 as a waste of resources and a perfect candidate to the "the most overrated aircraft of WWII". While Su-2, in my opinion, belongs to the most "underrated" league. The decision to shut down the production of Su-2 in 1941 was a big mistake. Again, IMO.
I believe the 270th BAD was just one of 15 VVS regiments and two separate squadrons that used Su-2 during 1941 and 1942.Su-2 bombers (not recon/spotter) of 270th BAD had 4 times higher sortie/loss ratio than Pe-2 of the same BAD(division) and Bostons of 221st BAD that operated in the same area.
Four Hispano's weigh 170kg where's eight .50's are 360kg so switching to Hispano's gives you the on target effect of 12 BMG's with the added bonus of a 200kg weight saving, if the Spit MkV could carry four cannons I don't think the Jug is going to have problemsIn regards to the P-47 packing 20mm cannon - weight and dimensions would have to be a factor. So stop production and redesign the wing to accept it, or be satisfied with eight .50MGs with 3,400 rounds?