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For figuring aircraft costs, the hours worked by a slave before death are irrelevant.

They aren't irrelevant morally and should never be so, but they are with regard to aircraft costs.

This didn't start out as a discussion of human condition, it was about aircraft costs. I'd rather keep it apolitical since there is no valid reason for what happened in WWII regarding slave labor.
 
You had mentioned earlier, that the P-47 was no more durable than others.

This is really not the case. The P-47 showed many times over, that it was a robust aircraft and capable of absorbing a tremendous amount of damage and still able to make it home.
This is not casting aspersions on other types and it's not belittling the Spitfire, it's simply down to the point that the P-47 was huge, heavy and radial powered.

It came home missing major portions of wings, control surfaces, fuselage, engine or a combination of each. Any one of those listed would have down a lesser type.
The RAF's Typhoon was known to absorb a substantial amount of damage and make it back as well.

But when you fly your fighter through an Olive grove and hope to make it over 100 miles back to base, you better be in a P-47...
 

Entirely agree. Unfortunately, such discussions often rapidly descend into hyperbole with the Spitfire being equated to a paper aeroplane in terms of its combat resilience. The same thing happens when comparing aircraft weapons, where the 50cal gets elevated above everything else while the British .303 gets referred to as a "paint scratcher."
 
It came home missing major portions of wings, control surfaces, fuselage, engine or a combination of each. Any one of those listed would have down a lesser type.

I'm sorry but that's simply not true. Take a look at the photo posted earlier which showed a Spitfire which clearly sustained heavy damage to a major portion of the wing as well as the aileron control surface. That's 2 out of your 4 criteria. This is exactly the sort of lazy oversimplification that really bugs me.

Yes, the P-47 was a tough, rugged aircraft...but you're still using the language of "lesser types" which, by default, denigrates those other types. Yes, the P-47's radial was probably more able to take damage than a Merlin or Griffon...but what about the turbo-supercharger. How much damage could that entire installation take before it started impacting performance (and if your aircraft can't hit top speed, it becomes a more vulnerable target)?
 
In fairness, he did say "in fighting condition". Most of the photos of heavy combat damage show airframes that were barely flyable...but definitely not in fighting condition.

This is really not the case. The P-47 showed many times over, that it was a robust aircraft and capable of absorbing a tremendous amount of damage and still able to make it home.
None of the P47's mentioned or any other aircraft in a similar situation where in any condition to do anything other than struggle home, they are outliers in the grand scheme of things.
 
In fairness, he did say "in fighting condition". Most of the photos of heavy combat damage show airframes that were barely flyable...but definitely not in fighting condition.

Man, give me a plane that'll get me home.

The T-bolt wasn't the flying tank it is sometimes regarded for being, but complaining that it was full of stuff that goes "boom" -- which was P PAT303 's claim -- ignores the fact that much of that stuff was fairly well-protected. Insinuating it was fragile doesn't comport with what I've read over the years.
 
A hole in the wing is a far cry from the entire outboard section.

No one is stating that Spitfires, Hurricanes, P-51s, P-38s, et al could not take damage and make it home.

But losing a wing during a collision with a flak tower, flying through an Olive Grove, accidently bouncing off the ground during a strafing attack, being hit 21 times by 20mm cannon, having the fuselage shredding by a flak burst (including the turbo assembly) and more, all to return home safely is a testiment to it's construction.
 


I love the Jug but Lets not kid ourselves, a burst of 20mm Mine/API/SAPI's anywhere is going to disable the aircraft at best, cause a fire or explosion at worst.
 
flying through an Olive Grove
Apparently this is the Jug that flew through an olive grove, funny how everything is damaged except the prop?. Don't get me wrong I love the Thunderbolt but I have a theory that planes that would not have normally made it home did as the Luftwaffe was forced back further and further to Germany.
 
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They were far more substantially built. US standards resulted in significantly, arguably excessively, robust and heavy airframes.
See the later US efforts like the P-51G to re-engineer planes to the UK standards and achieving very substantial weight savings and performance increases

The Lightweight Mustangs were 1,600lbs lighter than the D Model and had much higher performance.
 

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