Sherman V T-34 V Panzer IV.....?
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On the downside for the Sherman, it was a very tall machine. Not so sure about the T34 but I think the MK4 had a fairly low profile.
All that given, I'd go with the tank that spotted the other one first. They are that close that it will come down to that point.
All that given, I'd go with the tank that spotted the other one first. They are that close that it will come down to that point.
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
Hey Soren, did the Jumbo Sherman in Korea ever go up against the T-34? I thought the North Koreans had a hundred or so of those tanks.
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
Thanks Juha, I'm guessing the Easy Eight had the better range, and crew?
The main issue about M4 vs. T-34-85 in Korea was that the M4s were in hands of US tankers, and the (most) crews of the T-34's was from N. Korea. It's sure to assume that that was the main difference, obviously N. Koreans suffering accordingly.
As for armor protection, M4 was as good armored as T-34. Check out onwar.com (or wwiivehicles.com) for precise data. Pz-IV was some 8-10 tons lighter and without sloping armor, so it's obvious that protection was lacking.
If someone want's to dig deeper about the M4(76mm) and T-34-85, there is a major topic at Tank-net.org , covering the ex-Yu tests of various guns and tanks. I wholehartedly recommend it.
As for armor protection, M4 was as good armored as T-34. Check out onwar.com (or wwiivehicles.com) for precise data. Pz-IV was some 8-10 tons lighter and without sloping armor, so it's obvious that protection was lacking.
If someone want's to dig deeper about the M4(76mm) and T-34-85, there is a major topic at Tank-net.org , covering the ex-Yu tests of various guns and tanks. I wholehartedly recommend it.
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
I agree about the crews. The US crews would have had more experience and knowledge in tank warfare then the North Koreans.
Vassili Zaitzev
Master Sergeant
What was the time it took for the turrets of the three tanks to go 360 degrees? I would think that the Sherman and T-34 would be faster then the Pz-IV.
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Lucky13
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What were those called again.....was it, Ostketten or something? What upgrades did the J variant see of the Panzer IV?
I like Mk IV and so I like to remind that Firefly was rather specialised vehicle, with strong emphasis on the A/T role and without a decent HE round at first and after all tank wasn't a pure A/T weapon, usually the basic ammo load of a tank had under 50% of A/T rounds. Also at D-Day most Shermans were armed with 75mm gun, just because of its good HE round. Only after first contacts with Pz Vs brought enthusiasm towards 76mm gun to US field commanders. The lesson that one also needs a decent AP performance for tank gun sunk in rapidly.
IMHO Mk IV was a decent tank but in 43 onwards it lacked defensive power and its chassis and suspension couldn't take more weight. Also its suspension could have been better, same can be said also of that of Sherman before HVSS. Late Mk IVs would also have needed a bit more powerful engine.
Juha
IMHO Mk IV was a decent tank but in 43 onwards it lacked defensive power and its chassis and suspension couldn't take more weight. Also its suspension could have been better, same can be said also of that of Sherman before HVSS. Late Mk IVs would also have needed a bit more powerful engine.
Juha
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Lucky13
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So the turret in the J was manually operated then?! 
Another thing, didn't the T-34 lack radio, something that the Sherman and Panzer IV had?
Another thing, didn't the T-34 lack radio, something that the Sherman and Panzer IV had?The IS Tanks. IS-1, IS-2, IS-3. (Mikhail Baryatinskiy, Ian Allan 2006)
page 21:
"The turret was traversed by an electrical motor or manualy operated"
page 27:
"power was consumed by the inertial starter's 0.88kw electirc motor and turret traverse electric motor"
As we all do. I myself have done it many a time
parsifal
Colonel
A good document for the T-34....it takes 13.8 seconds to do a full 360 deg turn of the turret
The following site gives details for the Sherman.... Medium Tank M4 Sherman , the turret traversing rate is 24 degrees per second, or slightly slower than the T-34/76, 14.4 secs
I dont know the exact traverse rate for the Mk-IV, but the wide tracks for the mkIV, the Ostkette were not available until the late summmer of 1944, and then only with a limited scale of issue. Most of the MkIVs career were fought with narrow tracks, so it is not incorrect the T-34 as having a decided mobility advantage over the MkIV
The following site gives details for the Sherman.... Medium Tank M4 Sherman , the turret traversing rate is 24 degrees per second, or slightly slower than the T-34/76, 14.4 secs
I dont know the exact traverse rate for the Mk-IV, but the wide tracks for the mkIV, the Ostkette were not available until the late summmer of 1944, and then only with a limited scale of issue. Most of the MkIVs career were fought with narrow tracks, so it is not incorrect the T-34 as having a decided mobility advantage over the MkIV
