Show of force!

[lesofprimus]

If they get the job done in the field and stop you getting your ass blown off, who cares if their I.Q isn't above their shoe size?

Well, theres a problem with that.... Its called friendly fire, and I've been on the recieveing end of some Jarheads low IQ's.... When ur not intelligent enough to verify the target you are firing at, u deserve the ass beating u get from a really pissed off E-5, who had a bullet miss his head by 2 feet.....

No Marine ever saved my ass in a firefight... Some Apaches did once, as well as a -130...

Plain and simple, intelligence matters pD...

 

[FLYBOYJ]

As I said - MARINES - Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential

 

[lesofprimus]

Marines serve their purpose... Superior firepower through sheer numbers.....

 

[evangilder]

Just don't be in the way!

 

[lesofprimus]

Hehe... He was in our way....... Slight scenario here...

Goin through town... We smoke a few Iraqis... Continue on to extract... Come round corner... SAW opens up... I yell out....... (SAW has distinct sound)

Marine yells back, AND THEN LAUGHS!

Really pissed SEAL comes up to bunker and grabs said Marine by throat...

*Punch, punch, punch*

Marine goes to sleep...

Continue on to extract...

 

[Nonskimmer]

I know it couldn't have been funny, but reading that made me laugh!

 

[evangilder]

Me too. The situation isn't funny, but the way Les tells a story can make it funny. The narrative was comedy gold, Les!

 

[lesofprimus]

LOL. Well, i tried to make it humorous, but it really wasnt... We laughed about me knockin his ass out in the helo after extraction...

Later on in our tent, they were repeating the gurgling sound he was making when I was choking him.. They all thought it sooooooo funny...

It was kinda funny, i gotta admit... The look on his face when I grabbed him is something I'll never forget....

 

[plan_D]

Yes, of course intelligence matters. I was talking general intelligence, like in day to day life. Most Marines don't even have a 6th Grade reading level.

U.S Military doctrine for a long time has been based around fire superiority, Marines serve that purpose.

 

[lesofprimus]

I agree 200%... Kinda surprised u didnt comment about my Scenario Narration... American Humor???

 

[evangilder]

Or in his case, Humour.

 

[plan_D]

Oh, I thought it was fuckin' hilarious...I just didn't know what to say.

On that though...what are the Rangers like? I view them as Marine types with a little more intelligence and cunning, would I be right with that..or are they just another bunch of fire superiority loons?

 

[Maestro]

Someone already explained me the difference between Marines and SEALs, but I have an other stupid question...

What's the difference between Marines and Rangers ?

All those names are confusing... They all do the same job : SEEK AND DESTROY.

 

[lesofprimus]

OK cool......

Rangers..... Ill sum it up for u in 2 paragraphs...

Jump School... Ft. Benning... We just graduated from BUDS... We run 18 miles for fun... Those Ranger pukes cant keep up...

I would rate those guys as above average soldiers with above average intelligence, with a better understanding of firepower usage...

 

[Nonskimmer]

Does the US (Army) infantry hierarchy work like this?: Basic infantry, Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces.

Or is that completely off in left field somewhere?

 

[plan_D]

Talking regulars here, the U.S has Army Infantry, Rangers, Airborne and Marines...right?

Marines we gather are fire superiority, not very smart and as FB will undoubtedly say AGAIN "Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential"

Rangers are smarter, fitter and more capable in combat. They know how to use their fire superiority better.

Army infantry, I imagine are lesser in the training department than Marines.

Airborne, well going off my World War 2 knowledge they're in the same league as Rangers.

 

[Nonskimmer]

Rangers I gather are a little more on the specialist side. Demolitions, small unit tactics, things like that. Not quite special forces, but certainly more than your average grunts. Sound right?

 

[plan_D]

I get that idea from Black Hawk Down and the research I did after watching that movie.

 

[lesofprimus]

Rangers I gather are a little more on the specialist side. Demolitions, small unit tactics, things like that. Not quite special forces, but certainly more than your average grunts. Sound right?

Yes, they have a tighter battle order... U dont send more highly trained soldiers in to do the job that regualrs can do with acceptable losses..

Basic infantry, Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces.

Yes thats about it.... Kinda simple..... Most if not all Green Berets are Airborne...

Maestro... There are 4 Basic Parts of the American Military Structure....

Army
Navy
Airforce
Marine Corp

The Marines are their own entity, but require the Navy to move them around... A Marine is a Marine.... A grunt... A marine is trained for about 3 months and then is sent into combat. Sometimes even less...There are some Specialist units within the Marine Corps (Recon ect ect)...

Navy SEAL members are basically the most mentally competent combat operatives in the United States.... The drop out rate is over 75% within the first few weeks... I had more training concerning basic covering fire techniques than the normal Marine has had in his entire carreer...

 

[evangilder]

With the Air Force we had combat controllers, combat communications, forward air controllers (ground and air based) and pararescue jumpers. The PJs are the hardcore guys of the AF. They are the ones who fight their way in, if necessary, get the downed pilot and get the hell out of there.

I was temporarily assigned, fairly regularly I might add, to combat comm. But that usually involved operating with combat controllers and FACs. Typically, we had 1-2 combat comms with a FAC and a handful of combat controllers (they liked to fancy themselves as "blue marines", I don't know that I would go that far.)

Of all the services SpecOps guys, the SEALs are the ones that I would consider the most bad-ass. I am not just saying that for Les. I have seen some of these guys in the distance smoke out some bad guys and literally disappear into the landscape. It was amazing to watch. They appeared almost out of nowhere (We knew they were coming, bad guys didn't), took out a group of bad guys (not sure how many), and then went away. It was very quick and almost completely silent.

I can't say any more about it, but can tell you I was impressed, and DAMN glad they were the good guys!