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For a while the Bf 110 was the only plane capable of doing some things, like night fighter for instance.And you might ask why make 4 different fighters ? Because if u cancdl the BF 110 you will need the extra fighter (the HE 112) to make up for lack of 110s or at least thats how i envison it .
I mentioned earlier that in 1939, Germany only produced 449 Bf109s - and that is unacceptable. They had been planning on war since the early 30's and the manufacturing should have ramped up in anticipation.
In 1939 -1940 Germany had a "formidable" air force. The question is what does formidable mean. Both sides believed that the LW was very strong, so the UK and USA ramped up production to meet the threat while Germany were content to be scaring the world with their threats. From around August 1940 the UK itself was out producing Germany in all types single engine twin engine and four engine types. The huge numbers of B 109s and Fw 190s that came after 1943 were achieved by stopping production of almost everything else. !939-1941 saw Germany capture vast areas that they didnt have the capacity to defend.Again, back to the Luftwaffe's production numbers.
Had the German leadership put the nation on a wartime footing before or at the start of the war, then there would have been larger force for the Allies to contend with.
I mentioned earlier that in 1939, Germany only produced 449 Bf109s - and that is unacceptable. They had been planning on war since the early 30's and the manufacturing should have ramped up in anticipation.
It was mentioned that *if* Germany had produced 12,000 fighters in 1939, where would the pilots come from? Again, planning ahead would have resolved that issue.
As it stands, in 1939, the Luftwaffe had a headcount of 400,000.
By 1941, their personnel had grown to 1.7 million - so within two years, the Luftwaffe grew exponentially.
This should have been done prior to hostilities.
The Ju 88 became a great aircraft but was just being introduced in 1939 and wasnt sorted in 1940. There were only 18 involved in Poland 1939 and during the BoB it was the least numerous but suffered the highest losses (according to Wiki)I was what if the RLM hadn't approved so many designs ? My dream plan for the German air force would have had 4 fighters those being the HE 112 BF 109 FW 190 and ME 262 2 bombers JU87 and JU88 and 2 transports those being the JU 52 and FW 200 condor . No BF 110 No HE 162 No ME 163 no henikel or dornier bombers and none of the aircraft designed by Blohm Voss either . If the war started going better I might would approve the AR 234 blitz bomber but I'd have to see what shape we were in by then i figure stearming the number of models you use would make it easier to make higher numbers of aircraft
Their only true defence was to win.
The German economy and people might not have withstood it. If in 1938-39 Germany was burning fuel and consuming strategic metals and resources at 1941-44 rates the German economy would have seized to a stop. How does a peacetime Germany recruit and pay 2 million Luftwaffe personnel? The Volk would be in rebellion by summer 1939.As it stands, in 1939, the Luftwaffe had a headcount of 400,000. By 1941, their personnel had grown to 1.7 million. This should have been done prior to hostilities.
And you might ask why make 4 different fighters ? Because if u cancdl the BF 110 you will need the extra fighter (the HE 112) to make up for lack of 110s or at least thats how i envison it .
To ease identification why not call it a Mustang?Let me invent a fictitious plane for Britain that I will call the Spitfire that can fly 10-20mph faster than Spitfire and fly 50% further and carry the same guns all on engine of no better power than the Spitfire used.
Oh, no, My Spitfire will be available in quantity and in 1940.To ease identification why not call it a Mustang?
I almost added, "you just gotta wait 5 years for the advances in tech".Oh, no, My Spitfire will be available in quantity and in 1940.
My Mustang will available in the fall of 1942 in quantity and will be faster than the P-51B and go 30% further without drop tanks
In my scenario North American bought an HE 112 in the spring of 1938 and learned much of it's secrets which rendered the P-51 partially obsolete
What is this fictitious He 112?
A few prototypes got an assortment of DB600/1 engines, maybe one got a DB 601.
Production versions got an assortment of Jumo 210 engines of which the best had 700-710hp.
Specifications on the internet are all over the place. From a 250sq ft wing to a 180sq ft wing.
Speeds are all over the place with some unbelievable speeds listed up to 317mph for a 700hp engine (25mph faster than a 109D)
One source says (could be wrong, there is a lot of stuff that varies from account to account) the He 112B had 317liters of fuel, the Jumo powered 109s had 270 liters?
But the 112 is supposed to fly over 50% further?
For comparison the He 112 is supposed to carry two 20mm guns and two mg and use 700hp to fly at 317mph and fly almost 700 miles.
A Hurricane carried eight mgs, needed over 1000hp to fly nearly the same speed and couldn't make it to 500 miles. Yes the Hurricane used a bigger wing.
Let me invent a fictitious plane for Britain that I will call the Spitfire that can fly 10-20mph faster than Spitfire and fly 50% further and carry the same guns all on engine of no better power than the Spitfire used.
I'm not as great fan of th He 112 as Dave is (), but some numbers are better the the others. Wing area of 250 sq was for the earliest examples, that area combined with huge thickness meant the Bf 109 prototype beat the He 112 prototype handily in the tests. The 112B - type that saw avtual service - received the small wing that reduced drag substantially, by what time the Bf 109 was adopted firmly by Luftwaffe.
Power of the best Jumo 210, the 210G, was about 670 PS at 3.7km.
Numbers probably taken from the Heinkel sales' brochure?
I chuckle every time the people use Hurricane as some benchmark for speed and range
Any details?
A bench mark was a point on a work bench from which measurements were taken and/or known. In the modern world the term is "datum point". In conversation a bench mark could be lowest value expected or the average. In terms of pre war monoplanes the Hurricane is an ideal "benchmark". Its performance was representative of the minimum that could be expected.I chuckle every time the people use Hurricane as some benchmark for speed and range
The text in Wiki doesn't seem too bad but then they use the specifications for the 112A V4
and as you read a bunch of websites it doesn't get much better.
Trying to match the speed (or range?) with the dimensions of the plane and power of the engine listed is pretty hard.
Performance of the plane in Wiki is with open cockpit? And big wing?
If you don't like the Hurricane as as bench mark try the French D. 520 in the earlier versions.
I would note that the HE 112 never seems to use exhaust thrust.
The He 100 was flying in 1938 which really makes one wonder about the suitability of the 112 as a wonder weapon?
How do you stop the russians you ask ? The same way we stopped the germans round the clock bombing . And since the germans could base their fighters in the former chezchsolvika the range issue wouldnt be an issue .
I don't know about range, but is there any faster dope and canvas covered fighter?I chuckle every time the people use Hurricane as some benchmark for speed and range
A bit harsh on the Hurri I think.A bench mark was a point on a work bench from which measurements were taken and/or known. In the modern world the term is "datum point". In conversation a bench mark could be lowest value expected or the average. In terms of pre war monoplanes the Hurricane is an ideal "benchmark". Its performance was representative of the minimum that could be expected.
Not an expert, but they seem to have metal wings and three blade propellers, the Hurricane didnt get them until 1939-40, long after the He 112 was rejected. My post was only about what the term "benchmark" means. Edit And the Hurricane didnt sacrifice itself for speed. It was a nice plane to fly, good on take off and landing, good visibility and could turn with anything.A bit harsh on the Hurri I think.
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The Hurri was much more middle of road than minimum.