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syscom3 said:Didnt the P38's in the ETO have wastegates that froze up from the cold? Something about the turbochargers would be stuck on full boost and it would ruin the engines (if it didnt fail right out).
DaveB.inVa said:Also about the P-38. The Allisons on it were much the same and did indeed have an engine mounted supercharger in addition to the turbos. I had this discussion with someone else another time. They insisted the P-38 had no internal supercharger. I have been to see Glacier Girl a few times in Middlesboro Ky and met a bunch of nice people. I emailed Bob Cardin, part of the Glacier Girl crew. Here is my email and his reply.
Dave:
I am curious are the Allisons on Glacier Girl equipped with a single stage supercharger along with the turbocharger... or does it have a two stage supercharger in addition to the turbo? Ive been under the impression that all P-38's had a single stage supercharger plus the turbo. Thanks for any information you can provide.
Bob:
David, the Allison has a single stage engine driven supercharger. Only the P-38 has a turbo to go along with it (the supercharger).
Bob
There you go, short and sweet.
wmaxt said:The air path on the P-38 was exhaust to turbo and out, Intake air was outside (small airhorns under wing) air to turbo to intercooler to carb. NO mechanical supercharger was used. I have also seen the engine setup for the P-38 and it did not include a mech supercharger.
wmaxt said:Lunatic,
Your not the only one who pointed out the, Merlin - 2- stage fax pas, and your all right, whats worse I knew that.
One of the things that keep me coming back th this site is there is always more to learn, and even the Die-hards Like me and the P-38, are willing to learn more. Most threads are black/white and still haven't done the research.
wmaxt
Lunatic said:syscom3 said:Didnt the P38's in the ETO have wastegates that froze up from the cold? Something about the turbochargers would be stuck on full boost and it would ruin the engines (if it didnt fail right out).
Most of the problems with the P-38's in the ETO with cold at altitude had to do with the fact that there was no heating system for the pilot. The pilot would freeze his ass off up above 20-25K. The guns would also tend to freeze unless the pilot was dillagent about periodically running his gun heaters.
Once the engines were running, freezing while in flight was not a huge problem. However, some early models did have problems with the intercoolers being too effective causing problems at altitude in all theaters. This was rectified in the E model IIRC.
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Lunatic said:wmaxt said:Lunatic,
Your not the only one who pointed out the, Merlin - 2- stage fax pas, and your all right, whats worse I knew that.
wmaxt
I always enjoy reading your posts wmax and appreciate your diligence in researching/verifying info. I wish I had the time to do the same. My training is almost over (techincally it's over tommarow but until I get an assignment I'm sure it will continue).
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Lunatic
Lunatic said:wmaxt said:The air path on the P-38 was exhaust to turbo and out, Intake air was outside (small airhorns under wing) air to turbo to intercooler to carb. NO mechanical supercharger was used. I have also seen the engine setup for the P-38 and it did not include a mech supercharger.
Are you sure about this. I thought there was a small mechanical supercharger mounted on the back of the engine?
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Lunatic
WEP is often a throttle position that allows more power to be used. This position is presumed to be detrimental to engine life esp if it is used for more than 5 minuets.
The detramental issue might be overboost,
over revs (I've read that the extra force on con rods increased by 6 times with a rpm increase from 5,000rpm to 5,500rpm),
or overheating.
Depending on the peace/war situation a limit on total hours was placed on an engine before mandatory replacement/overhaul. Interestingly the manufactorures tested Allisons to 2,300+ hp @ 105+ boost and PW ran the 2800 to 3,000hp( from memory does anyone have the right numbers handy?) range for 250hrs without trouble the numbers the AAF ran are substantialy lower.
As for cam shaft timing for low rpm (>3,000rpm)emgines, tight overlaps are normaly used which would preclude cam timing as a problem.
However with a supercharger to compensate, the cam timing becomes far more flexible, so, maybe.
It should also be noted that (contrary to someone elses comment) that generally speaking if a 2 stage supercharger is being used the gearing not the staging is what changes with altitude.
Another option is the variable-speed mechanical supercharger, which uses a fluid coupling to vary the speed of the 1st stage of supercharging as was done on most Bf109 variants. This has the advantage of allowing higher power over a wider range of altitudes, and minimizes power lost off the crankshaft. However it has the disadvantage of wasting power at all but the unit ratio (1:1 on both sides of the coupling) and as the fluid in the coupling heats (especially as it slips) the unit becomes less and less efficient.
schwarzpanzer said:Otherwise, running an engine hard is always going to shorten it's life.
The Tumansky turboprop for e.g.
Marshall_Stack said:All,
I am amazed at how much you guys know about aircraft engines. I'm not a mechanic of any sorts but just an enthusiast. Is there any books or websites that anyone can recommend that explains the internal workings of aircraft engines (both in-line and radial)? Some thing along the lines of "aircraft engines for dummies".
I have learned a lot so far from your entries. I just want something that puts it all together for the apprentice.
Marshall_Stack said:All,
I am amazed at how much you guys know about aircraft engines. I'm not a mechanic of any sorts but just an enthusiast. Is there any books or websites that anyone can recommend that explains the internal workings of aircraft engines (both in-line and radial)? Some thing along the lines of "aircraft engines for dummies".
I have learned a lot so far from your entries. I just want something that puts it all together for the apprentice.