Ta-152/Fw-190

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Is the Ta-152...

  1. ...a -190D

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  2. ...completely different becuase of the designation

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  1. the lancaster kicks ass

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    What do you class it is, to you, is the Ta-152 the same as a Fw-190D, or, due to it's different designation, do you see it as a different plane??
     
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    Different!
     
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    Seeing how the Ta-152B and H were originallly named the Fw190Ra-2 and Ra-3, the choice is obvious... The Ta-152H was a high altitude version of the Fw-190Ra-3...

    The 190Ra-2 incorporated the standard 190D wing, and used the Jumo 213 engine, basically making a longernosed 190D...

    All they did was rename the planes out of respect for the designers, Tank and Messerschmitt.... (Ta and Me)
     
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    well i think that as it had a different designation it was a different plane....
     
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    Even if that designation was given and applied after the aircraft was already airworthy??
     
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    yup, different designation, some slight changes, different plane.......
     
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    It wasnt designed from the outset to be a new plane...it was an existing plane re-designated...
     
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    so was the seafire, to me, they're different planes........
     
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    The P-80 was redesignated F-80 after the war, still the same plane, simply redesignted to comply with new USAF designation systems...
     
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    but the Ta-152 and -190D were slightly different......
     
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    But as les said, the Ta-152 was originally named as a 190, simply renamed to honor Kurt Tank.
     
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    Was the Fw-190A-8 a completely different plane than the Fw-190D-9???
     
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    Quoted from The Encyclopedia of Aircraft of WWII...........

    "In 1944, the Reichluftfahrtministerium (German Air Ministry or RLM) decreed that all new fighter aircraft designations must include the chief designer's name. Thus was born the Ta 152, named for Kurt Tank, chief of design at the Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau G. m. b. H. Except for designation, the Ta 152 series is directly related to, and a natural development of, the Fw 190. It was probably the fastest and most capable production, propeller-driven, fighter fielded by Germany during World War II."
     
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    That pretty much confirms it if you ask me.
     
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    Lanc can interpet the above as he sees fit....
     
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    this is still a matter of opinion, and in my opinion, it was a different plane......
     
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    If Kurt Tank and The Luftwaffe Hierachy, as well as all the historical documentation, all say that the Ta 152 series was directly related to, and a natural development of, the Fw 190, I dont really see where an opinion is needed.

    Its a fact Lanc.... I dont think Ive ever seen u so stubborn before.......

    But......

    U never did answer my question Lanc...
     
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    yes, it was a different plane, but at the same time it wasn't because it carried the same designation, and i never said the -152 and -190 weren't related, because i know they are, i know they're almost exactly the same plane and that there's more differences between the -190A and -190D than there is between the -190D and -152, but the fact remains that it carried a different designation, to me, that makes it a different plane................

    and the reason i'm being so stubborn is because i feel so strongly about it.......
     
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    OK whatever...
    Out of respect for its designer
    If u think thats true then I do not doubt that u think the 190D and the Ta-152 are different...
    , not because it was a different plane.....
     
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