The Airbus 330 - Possibility of Electrical/Computer Problems

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    What does that have to do with this story?
     
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    Exactly what does that have to do with this topic?
     
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    The topic seems to be about rubbishing the Airbus A330 with the information coming from a newspaper. I would be far more impressed with information from the regulatory authorities, or the users and maintainers.
    Long experience has taught me not to believe everything the dailies tell us. The bit about the A 340 had nothing to do with the A 330. It was all to do with the unbelievable stupidity of the airlines ground staff who disregarded regulations and accepted procedures.

    It wouldn't take a towering genius to find a catalogue of incidents and problems suffered by any aircraft type. The airline industry is forever sending out preventative advice to its users - and rightly so, but if it all got into the hands of the press to misinterpret there would be far fewer bums on seats as the public would stay away in droves! I mentioned the Boeing 737 N387SW that was fortunate to escape from a decompression caused by the skin structure failing. Just think how that might have been reported by the media.
     
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    #6 DerAdlerIstGelandet, Jul 20, 2009
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    No the thread was a topic about the Airbus A330.

    You need to chill out. Anytime anyone states anything about the British or Europe in general you automatically go on the defensive. I could post a story about European weather and you would find someway to take offense to it. It is rather annoying. Would it make you feel better if I posted one about Boeing...???

    Just chill out...
     
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    He's got a point actually. The only thing I'd believe written in the Daily Mail is the sports results. And I'd check them afterwards too.

    It's known as the "Daily Bigot" in the UK due to its rather parochial right wing viewpoint.
     
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    That may be true, but the thread was not written as an attack on Airbus.
     
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    Lingo, ignore the hype and hysteria in the opening of the stroy.
    There is some element of plausibility in this. Its about a string on uncommanded control inputs on the Airbus series of aircraft, possibly caused by aging wiring. It does happen.

    I have had some experience in trying to track down the same sort of issue, in a light GA aircraft autopilot system, and it was implssoble to reproduce the fault on the ground. It was only by rewiring the nav and autopilot systems that we corrected the problem. Never did find exactly where the issue was though. I can only imagine what it would have been like had it been in a high-performance, or large air transport aircraft.
     
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    With a title like "The Airbus 330 - an accident waiting to happen"

    I think it is... that's not my definition of non-biased.

    I wonder if it's safety record is better that the 737... seems like a bunch of those have crashed but there are a lot more in service..
     
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    Like max said, I wouldn't believe a word the Mail prints. They are probably having a pop at airbus precisely becaus it is a European comsortium - they hate that kind of thing with a passion.
     
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    Read the story.

    There seems to be more than a few instances where the plane did something totally unexpected while in flight.
     
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    There are several instances of unexpected autopilot disconnections - but I don't see anything in the report except speculation as to causes.

    The A340 incident is irrelevant - as lingo said, ignorance of proper procedure is to blame for that write-off. I get the feeling it was included so that the MoS could put in a dramatic picture of a samshed-up Airbus. As for the wiring, it is a possible cause, but so is software failure. Much of the criticism is drawn from statements made by lawyers representing the families of the AF447 victims. While I do not doubt their competence, they are hardly an objective source from which to take an opinion. They will naturally be trying to paint Airbus in the worst possible light, and their bashing of a European consortium fits well with long-established Daily Mail editorial policy.

    This section is pure hype

    This guy could be talking about most modern commercial or military aircraft, and the fact that the A330 is fly by wire makes it no more or less likely to crash than any other type. No official conclusions have been drawn from the QF72 incident either (nor the NWA one) - what the Mail has printed is merely conjecture - logical I admit, but conjecture nonetheless. Likwise, while I appreciate the grief of those in the victim's association, for them to suggest a coverup by the BEA and Airbus is pure speculation, and not a little hyperbolic. But again, it's the kind of thing that sells newspapers. I do not believe for a second that the BEA, or the FAA or AAIB, would cover up a potentially lethal fault in an aicraft type if they knew for sure it existed.

    AF447 was a tragedy, and the cause needs to be found. But to present this piece of Sunday sensationalist jornalism as a serious contribution to the debate is, I believe, somewhat spurious.

    Cheers

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    also consider flight hours
     
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    maintaince, age and the rest... I cringe when I hear about a 737 going down knowing that, for many, it reflects poorly on Boeing and American aircraft. Many dont consider that the lapsed inspections and haphazard maintainace by poorly regulated carriers in backwards countries.

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    Yeah I can see where you are coming from with that.
     
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    The Mail?
    Bloody Nationalist newspaper in all but name. The wartime owner, Lord Rothwell or someone, big chums with both Hitler and Mussolini, even sent a telegram to Hitler conveying his support for the invasion of the Sudetenland; Rothwell was hoping that Hitler would come to be liked and admired in the UK.
    He was also a big fan of Mosley, describing him as a level-headed man of good common sense and penning a very favourable article on the Blackshirts.
    One of the Mail's senior editors even wrote a book defending both Hitler and Mussolini in the late 30s, don't recall the name of the editor or the book but you get some historical idea of why the Mail is positioned where it is in the political spectrum.

    I wouldn't wipe my *ss on the Mail, I certainly wouldn't read it.
     
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    #18 Amsel, Jul 21, 2009
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    Safety Group Urges Airbus Fixes - WSJ.com

    From 2008


    Another from 2006
    http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Airbus.NTSB.FAA.2.234130.html


    From NTSB

     
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    #19 FLYBOYJ, Jul 21, 2009
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    The A319/320 EFIS black out problem has been well known and documented for a long time. I saw it myself on an A319 that was being pulled out of flyable storage. During an engine ground run everything went blank. We simply turned everything off and re-powered up. Everything came back on. My father in law experienced the same thing when flying for Continental.

    There are limited "steam gauges" that will enable the pilots to still fly the aircraft while they trouble shoot the problem.

    Personally I see reports like this as a two-sided sword. In many cases the media puts out sensationalized and inaccurate information on aircraft accidents and incidents. On the other hand the media could press attention to a problem forcing manufacturers and regulatory agencies to act on a problem. Case in point, Aloha Airlines in 1988 when the upper cab of a 737 blew out due to stress and corrosion. After that all commercial airliners were subjected to the implemented “Corrosion Prevention Control Program” or “CPCP.” This program has identified probably hundreds of corrosion and stress defects in numerous commercial airliners.
     
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    Is it possible that the same issues have surfaced in the A-330? The current NTSB investigations makes me curious about that
     
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