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Experience in the Battle of Britain showed pilots landing in water had little chance of being rescued and the parachute that just saved their life in the air tried to take it in the water, dragging them through the water and entangling them in string and silk.On a more pragmatic and less ideological level, even a less hardened Japanese pilot or flight crewman was aware that not much effort was being made to rescue downed pilots, so if captivity wasn't unthinkable, dying of thirst and fever deep in a Tropical jungle or floating forlorn in the open ocean until the sharks ate you also probably didn't seem worth considering.
(Francillon Japanese aircraft of the Pacific)
When an aviation maintenance monoculture suddenly has to cope with a new and radically different technology which stands all of their practices and procedures on their heads, it tends to disrupt things a little.
Some planes lacked the flotation characteristics of the A6M3 and it was better to bail out if you had the luxury.
the truth is a lot of the airmen and even more of the infantry, tankers, submariners and so on, at least the ones out there on the front line were up against pretty hairy odds in WW2 and most of them were well aware of it.
All of the above. Old time aircooled mechanics working on a foreign large displacement liquid cooled engine are going to encounter materials, tolerances, and procedures unlike anything they have been taught or are used to. Liquid cooled engines run at much steadier temperatures, have tighter internal tolerances, and use different alloys in their high temp parts. Their lubrication, gasketing, and intake/exhaust details are unlike anything these maintainers have ever experienced, and this goes for the entire system, including management, supply and training.Are the changes brought about because of technological advance, a different philosophy or short sighted managerial change?
Takes some Samurai-like courage to fly one of those things off of a catapult from a merchant ship way out in the North Atlantic in January.
Truth is, we make a lot out of the Bushido mentality of the Japanese, and they did take things a step further with the Kamikaze and the Ohka and all that, but the truth is a lot of the airmen and even more of the infantry, tankers, submariners and so on, at least the ones out there on the front line were up against pretty hairy odds in WW2 and most of them were well aware of it.
Because, being land based pilots, they weren't given adequate training in how to deal with a parachute in the water. USN handled this with what was called a paradrag rescue trainer.the parachute that just saved their life in the air tried to take it in the water, dragging them through the water and entangling them in string and silk.
All of the above. Old time aircooled mechanics working on a foreign large displacement liquid cooled engine are going to encounter materials, tolerances, and procedures unlike anything they have been taught or are used to. Liquid cooled engines run at much steadier temperatures, have tighter internal tolerances, and use different alloys in their high temp parts. Their lubrication, gasketing, and intake/exhaust details are unlike anything these maintainers have ever experienced, and this goes for the entire system, including management, supply and training.
Cheers,
Wes
Any idea when these started XB? The UK didn't really start to address air sea rescue until around 1942/3 Ive no idea whether they did ditching training during the war.Because, being land based pilots, they weren't given adequate training in how to deal with a parachute in the water. USN handled this with what was called a paradrag rescue trainer.
We had a Dilbert Dunker and a WWII vintage paradrag trainer on base, and as the only SCUBA diver in our group, I became safety diver on these antiques. This made scheduling of training sessions much easier, as we weren't dependent on availability and willingness of divers from the Underwater Swimmers School downtown.
As part of my prep, I had to ride both devices, wearing a flight suit, boots, a nonfunctional mae west and a helmet and O2 mask. If a real "feet wet" parachute landing had been anything like that paradrag, I'd have been a goner without that training.
Cheers,
Wes
The Soviets had a variation on that, being captured meant you could be 'contaminated' by contact with the Germans. Some pilots were tainted with suspicion by the NKVD etc. after being captured and escaping or even just being shot down behind enemy lines and coming back.
They had to walk quite a tightrope.
If the German high-command decided to enter the Soviet Union as benefactors instead of conquerors, they could have taken the Soviet Union with nearly a struggle - treating them as "unter mensch" just steeled their resolve...Infamous Order No.270.
Order No. 270 - Wikipedia
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if a superior or a unit of the Red Army – instead of organizing resistance to the enemy – prefers to become a prisoner they should be destroyed by all means possible on land and air, and their families deprived of public benefits and assistance.
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I've read that in some areas at first the Russian civilians saw the Germans as liberators and were happy when they showed up...........which of course changed in short order. If the Germans had played there cards right and embraced the " libaratior" role and been mr nice guy to the Russians they captured/ occupied they could have met with substantially less resistance and probably have taken Russia. Speculation on my part of course but IMHO .If the German high-command decided to enter the Soviet Union as benefactors instead of conquerors, they could have taken the Soviet Union with nearly a struggle - treating them as "unter mensch" just steeled their resolve...
Nice fantasy. No way that would have ever come to pass under Nazi ideology. To much historical baggage vis a vis Slavic peoples and the hordes from the east.If the Germans had played there cards right and embraced the " libaratior" role and been mr nice guy to the Russians they captured/ occupied they could have met with substantially less resistance