The Battle of the River Plate

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80 years ago, on 10 December 1939 was the Battle of the River Plate, resulting in the Kriegsmarine's first capital ship loss of World War Two, the scuttling of the pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee on the 17th. Whilst in South America a few years ago I went on my own personal "Hunt For the Graf Spee". Here are some pictures.

The Ship - Admiral Graf Spee pre-war.

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Y-turret of HMS Achilles survives outside HMNZS Philomel, Devonport Naval Base, Auckland, New Zealand. The ship did not become HMNZS Achilles until 1941.

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Ship's bell of the cruiser Uruguay. It's a little known fact that the Uruguayan navy sent its most powerful warship out into the battle to enforce its sovereign waters on the evening of 10th December. The plucky little light cruiser Uruguay actually steamed between the Achilles and the Graf Spee at one time, whilst the British ship was firing at the German vessel. A protest was raised, but the Urugauyans were placated through clever diplomacy.

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A memorial to the battle on the Montevideo shore, which took place ten miles off Punta del Este, north of Montevideo. In the faded image, the cruiser Uruguay can be seen steaming ahead of the Achilles firing at the Graf Spee.

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Once the German ship arrived in Montevideo, the subterfuge began. This is Palacio Salvo, designed by Mario Palanti, who designed the identical Palacio Barolo in Buenos Aires. On the 14th floor of the tower, British Plenipotentiary to Uruguay, Eugen Millington-Drake pondered the Graf Spee's arrival and set in motion the intelligence war against the Germans that prevented the ship from leaving, although the Uruguayans wanted it out of their waters in 24 hours. <Millington-Drake was also responsible for the rumour that the British had sent capital warships on their way to sink the German ship. It was this that led directly to her captain's decision to scuttle the ship on the 17th. On that day, Millington-Drake watched its final moments from his office window.

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A framed picture within the Museo Naval in Montevideo, which has excellent displays on the battle and the ship. Note the hilltop fort in the background of the picture. This is Fortaleza del Cerro and was a popular spot for the ship's crew to visit.

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Fortaleza del Cerro from the Montevideo port, with the bulk freighter Sofia, built in Hamburg incidentally, standing in for the pocket battleship.

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A crewmember enjoys the view from the top of the hill in front of the fort.

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That same view today.The Sofia is to the right of the gun barrel, roughly where the Graf Spee was.

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A wireless message sent to the Ajax from her Fairey Sea Fox aircraft, announcing the end of the German ship. This is on display in the Royal New Zealand Navy Museum at Devonport, Auckland.

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Taken from the top of Fortaleza del Cerro, eight kilometres in the distance is the last resting place of the Admiral Graf Spee. Contrary to popular belief, it cannot be seen at low tide - it is 65 feet below the surface and the circle of pylons sticking out of the water to the right is not the location of the ship.

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In the intervening years, a few items have been recovered from the ship, including one of its anchors, seen here at the entrance to the port.

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The ship's foretop range finder. Its Seetakt radar housing was also raised, but this had deteriorated. In considerable secrecy, the British removed the Seetakt unit and its mattress aerial not long after the ship had stopped burning.

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One of her 5.9-inch guns sits outside the Museo Naval.

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A light anti-aircraft range finder from her bridge outside the museum.

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The Museo Naval has many artifacts salvaged from the ship and items gifted by her crew, including this cap.

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The most controversial item recovered from the ship is its sternadler, which the navy has locked away in a secret location. On its recovery, a war of words erupted between the Uruguayan and West German government, who laid claim to it. It was recently announced that it is to be auctioned off.

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In Cementario Britannico is this common grave for three of Achilles' crew, whose bodies washed ashore. The British chose to bury their dead at sea, whereas the Germans interred theirs in Montevideo.

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The last resting place of Kapt Hans Langsdorff, who shot himself three days after he ordered the scuttling of his ship, in La Chacarita Cemetery, Buenos Aires.

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Memorial to the ship's crew who lost their lives during the battle.

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For the full set of images, take a look here: Battle of the River Plate
 

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Great stuff.

Today 80 years ago, the Graf Spee was scuttled.

It brings a tear to the eye of any naval fan.
 
The first book on military history I ever read was on the Battle of the River Plate, my father was in the navy. I cant find the quote from Churchill about it, but from memory it was something like "The action came like a flash of light and colour on a darkened scene in Europe". Langsdorff was a great military man and a gentleman, even by dad respected what he did. If the battle hadn't taken place then he sank a huge amount of shipping, with almost no loss of life.
 
#spoiler alert#
It don't end well for Captain Langsdorff which is such a shame for such a decent gentleman.

As this point in the war, one would say Langsdorff was on a fools errand and he had no real way of getting back to Germany just like the real Graf Spee.

The film Battle of the River Plate showed Langsdorff in a very flattering light which is extremely unusual for a British film of the 1950s. One can discuss historical inaccuracies but the fact Langsdorff was not shown as a carpet eating jack boot nazi is very telling.
 
80 years ago, on 10 December 1939 was the Battle of the River Plate, resulting in the Kriegsmarine's first capital ship loss of World War Two, the scuttling of the pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee on the 17th. Whilst in South America a few years ago I went on my own personal "Hunt For the Graf Spee". Here are some pictures.

The Ship - Admiral Graf Spee pre-war.

View attachment 564025River Plate 01

Y-turret of HMS Achilles survives outside HMNZS Philomel, Devonport Naval Base, Auckland, New Zealand. The ship did not become HMNZS Achilles until 1941.

View attachment 564006River Plate 06

Ship's bell of the cruiser Uruguay. It's a little known fact that the Uruguayan navy sent its most powerful warship out into the battle to enforce its sovereign waters on the evening of 10th December. The plucky little light cruiser Uruguay actually steamed between the Achilles and the Graf Spee at one time, whilst the British ship was firing at the German vessel. A protest was raised, but the Urugauyans were placated through clever diplomacy.

View attachment 564026River Plate 14

A memorial to the battle on the Montevideo shore, which took place ten miles off Punta del Este, north of Montevideo. In the faded image, the cruiser Uruguay can be seen steaming ahead of the Achilles firing at the Graf Spee.

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Once the German ship arrived in Montevideo, the subterfuge began. This is Palacio Salvo, designed by Mario Palanti, who designed the identical Palacio Barolo in Buenos Aires. On the 14th floor of the tower, British Plenipotentiary to Uruguay, Eugen Millington-Drake pondered the Graf Spee's arrival and set in motion the intelligence war against the Germans that prevented the ship from leaving, although the Uruguayans wanted it out of their waters in 24 hours. <Millington-Drake was also responsible for the rumour that the British had sent capital warships on their way to sink the German ship. It was this that led directly to her captain's decision to scuttle the ship on the 17th. On that day, Millington-Drake watched its final moments from his office window.

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A framed picture within the Museo Naval in Montevideo, which has excellent displays on the battle and the ship. Note the hilltop fort in the background of the picture. This is Fortaleza del Cerro and was a popular spot for the ship's crew to visit.

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Fortaleza del Cerro from the Montevideo port, with the bulk freighter Sofia, built in Hamburg incidentally, standing in for the pocket battleship.

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A crewmember enjoys the view from the top of the hill in front of the fort.

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That same view today.The Sofia is to the right of the gun barrel, roughly where the Graf Spee was.

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A wireless message sent to the Ajax from her Fairey Sea Fox aircraft, announcing the end of the German ship. This is on display in the Royal New Zealand Navy Museum at Devonport, Auckland.

View attachment 564014River Plate 27

Taken from the top of Fortaleza del Cerro, eight kilometres in the distance is the last resting place of the Admiral Graf Spee. Contrary to popular belief, it cannot be seen at low tide - it is 65 feet below the surface and the circle of pylons sticking out of the water to the right is not the location of the ship.

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In the intervening years, a few items have been recovered from the ship, including one of its anchors, seen here at the entrance to the port.

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The ship's foretop range finder. Its Seetakt radar housing was also raised, but this had deteriorated. In considerable secrecy, the British removed the Seetakt unit and its mattress aerial not long after the ship had stopped burning.

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One of her 5.9-inch guns sits outside the Museo Naval.

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A light anti-aircraft range finder from her bridge outside the museum.

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The Museo Naval has many artifacts salvaged from the ship and items gifted by her crew, including this cap.

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The most controversial item recovered from the ship is its sternadler, which the navy has locked away in a secret location. On its recovery, a war of words erupted between the Uruguayan and West German government, who laid claim to it. It was recently announced that it is to be auctioned off.

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In Cementario Britannico is this common grave for three of Achilles' crew, whose bodies washed ashore. The British chose to bury their dead at sea, whereas the Germans interred theirs in Montevideo.

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The last resting place of Kapt Hans Langsdorff, who shot himself three days after he ordered the scuttling of his ship, in La Chacarita Cemetery, Buenos Aires.

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Memorial to the ship's crew who lost their lives during the battle.

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For the full set of images, take a look here: Battle of the River Plate
Plate 20 is not the Graf Spee - Deutschland Class PanzerSchiff - but not Graf Spee.Spee had the " pagoda " style superstructure the ship in the photo does not - Too bad the recovery effort petered out that would've been amazing although i think the ship now is probably too deteriorated and would break up at any attempt to raise it - High drama at the start of the war..We'll never know exactly why Langsdorff inexplicably rushed into the cruisers effective gun range when he could've stood off out of their range and pounded them into scrap - WW 1 Destroyer tactics?
 
Plate 20 is not the Graf Spee - Deutschland Class PanzerSchiff - but not Graf Spee.Spee had the " pagoda " style superstructure the ship in the photo does not - Too bad the recovery effort petered out that would've been amazing although i think the ship now is probably too deteriorated and would break up at any attempt to raise it - High drama at the start of the war..We'll never know exactly why Langsdorff inexplicably rushed into the cruisers effective gun range when he could've stood off out of their range and pounded them into scrap - WW 1 Destroyer tactics?

Did he have enough ammunition for his main guns to stand off and pound from a distance and still have anything left for future encounters with other british forces between graf spee and germany ?
 
The Graf Spee was in a bad way before the battle and it was in a worse way after. Was certainly not getting back to Germany.

Langsdorff may have identified wrongly but its not correct to say the cruisers were easy prey as they had a speed advantage plus aircraft. They could have stayed out of range of the guns while reporting the Graf Spee from distance. So by closing the range allowed the 11 inch guns to do their best.

The light cruisers were of nominal value apart from as torpedo boats and Exeter was the main focus.

In fact more Royal Navy were killed than Kriegsmarine.

Once Graf Spee was spotted, she had nowhere to run or hide and although she could match South American Cruiser Squadron, she wasn't going to match whatever was coming over the horizon.

Shows how good a ship the Deutschlands were I suppose

But I could argue the Graf Spee had a best ending scenario because at one point she was going to go bang somewhere and at least in this time line the majority of the crew were saved.
 
On a 1v1 who could Graf Spee beat in a fair fight.

The 11 inch guns gave a decided advantage against any destroyer or cruiser and so unless you do a torpedo night action then not much to do but use superior speed and run away.

Against RN battleships then the Graf Spee runs away. The Graf Spee has speed advantage against current RN battleships. KGV was not about in this time frame.

Graf Spee against a Nelson or Warspite would be a smack down of cosmic proportion so that's best avoided. And if the Graf Spee had a markedly reduced top speed that now matched the Battleships then on the journey home she would have run into one of them and that's not going to end well.

The Battle Cruisers Hood, Repulse and Renown had the big stick and were faster so it would depend how good the 11 inch shells were at getting a lucky shot. The Graf Spee had paper thin armour in comparison to a proper battleship. So it would be a 15 inch shell against not much.

Against Swordfish then not much comparison either. Bad news for Graf Spee.
 
It's pretty obvious that Graf Spee and her sisters would not stand a chance in a fight with a battleship (or battlecruiser). Her belt and deck armor had limited immunity zones against 8 inch shells, and essentially none against anything larger. In other words, her only option on meeting a real capital ship was to run away. Add to this the fact that she was operating far from any support, in an ocean full of enemies, and one could argue that Graf Spee was on a slow-motion kamikaze mission.

I also happen to think these German ships were certainly the most over-hyped ships of the interwar period. Weimar -- under which the ships were designed and ordered -- built them as another open stick in the eyes of the victors of the previous war: while the ships were legal within the treaty, they were most certainly not what was expected, which was a coastal defense ship of limited utility outside of the Baltic and perhaps the North Sea. A heavily armed, world-ranging ship, ideal for attacking convoys not protected by capital ships, was frightening and politically provocative.
 
Admiral Scheer did quite well so you can't blame the ship or the design.

And the most like opponent it would meet on the high seas would be another cruiser like the Cornwall or Devonshire or Sydney who sank the Pinguin, Atlantis and Kormoran.

So although overkill as a commerce raider, it could fight a peer opponent on better than equal terms and run away from most of what it couldn't.

Although the British didn't copy the idea. The debacle of the Courageous class may have been large in the memory in building over gunned light cruisers!
 
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The film Battle of the River Plate showed Langsdorff in a very flattering light which is extremely unusual for a British film of the 1950s. One can discuss historical inaccuracies but the fact Langsdorff was not shown as a carpet eating jack boot nazi is very telling.
I think the crews he captured had a hand in that. Langsdorf was instructed to operate to "prize rules" which he did. The prisoners on the Graf Spee were kept the safest part of the ship during the battle and generally treated well, many of his former prisoners attended his funeral.
 
Many of the captured crews of German raiders were complimentary about their capture and incarceration at the hands of the Germans.

Rogge and Detmers and of course one has to include Karl von Muller from SMS Emden who earned respect from friend and foe.
 
Plate 20 is not the Graf Spee - Deutschland Class PanzerSchiff - but not Graf Spee.Spee

No, it IS the Graf Spee. It's not the Deutschland, which had the pole mast and it's not the Admiral Scheer as you can see the ship's Coat-of-Arms on the bow. We know it's Montevideo because of Fortaleza del Cerro in the background.

This is the Graf Spee leaving Montevideo for the last time on 17 December. Even though it shows its port side, it is very much the same ship. Its camouflage suggests this.

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Why would they use a picture of Admiral Scheer in Montevideo and have it signed by Graf Spee's prisoners?!
 

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