The Best Bomber of WWII: #4

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  1. syscom3

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    Actually, Im going to calculate the number of Lanc sorties up to summer 1943 and compare it to the B24 sorties in the same time period. I will then apply the Lanc loss rate to those numbers and see what comes up.

    Of course you never thought of doing it.
     
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    Well, it's official ladies. The old thread finally reached fifty pages, so to check out the earlier excitement of the B-24 vs. Lancaster battle royal, refer to the Archive section.

    Here's to another fifty pages. I've a feeling it won't be long. ;)
     
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    Very Cool!
     
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    Great link!
     
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    Syscom I think it is funny here. You said you would not take Lancs simulation post into account because it was based off of statistics. What the hell have you been doing the whole damn time. That means absolutetly nothing you have said means anything.

    Sorry syscom you have not proven that the B-24 was better than the Lanc. Contrary to me you have proven to me even more why the Lancaster is better.
     
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    Yep same with me. Good link pbfoot.
     
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    Thats because its common sense, some people have it. :D
     
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    and how, preytell, are you going to do this? i hope you're not planning on using the link someone posted with monthly figures, that's a very good site, however you would have to be an exceptionally tallented idiot to use those figures as they're for the entire bomber command, not just lancasters ;) and don't just say the lanc made up most of bomber command, because it wasn't for years that she did.............

    no, what you really need to compile daytime loos rate information is and entire list of lancaster operations during the war, and, what's this sitting infront of me! would that be an entire list of al lancaster operations during the war? i think it is, and i didn't realise you had one too............

    wait a minute syscom, isn't the loss rate a statistic? i mean i don't have a problem with statistics but i thought you were against them as you felt they didn't prove anything??

    gimme a break, you want a friggin medal? or did you just feel that as this is obviously the first time you've ever come up with an idea you'd brag about it ;) well i wouldn't, because i did think of it, but then i realised i don't need it to prove any points, you however do, so maybe you're stupid for not thinking of it sooner?

    you're not the first person i've argued with about the lanc Vs. B-24 or B-17, you're nothing special, try not to flatter yourself ;) because if you carry on the way you're going soon we're all just going to ignore you, i mean come on how old are you? i'm 15 and even i can see that statistics can prove or dissprove almost anything..........
     
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    That is what you said Syscom. You said that Lancs simulation does not count because it is statistics.

    So anything counts for you if it is for your argument but if it is good for someone else you do not allow it? :D
     
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    and we must listen to him because he has proved himself worthy of being an all powerful and wise aviation god ;)
     
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    You know some stuff, I know some stuff. Youre wrong on occasion and so am I.

    Difference between you and I is I will admit when I am wrong or someone has proven their point.

    I dont feel you have proven some of your points about the Lanc beyond a doubt. Sorry to make you uncomfortable when I bring up points about either bomber and you dont have data available.
     
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    And that is all you have done. You put numbers out and make your own opinions off them, you dont prove anything. For instance saying that a B-24 was easier to build because more were built and showing the numbers is just quoting numbers. Until you can say this many were built because the B-24 was easier to build because it of this... you have not proven anything. You are just quoting numbers.

    And in defense of you, this does not prove that a Lancaster is better than a B-24. However nothing you have posted proves that it a B-24 is better.

    No, the way you present the numbers will speak for you and nothing else.

    You yourself should not question how I look at things, or you might just get yourself into a fight that you can not win. :evil: :mad:
     
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    No you do not, because we have explained to you that some of the points you have made, hold no bearing and yet you keep repeating them over and over. It really is fucking annoying. :mad:
     
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    well if you want to ask me questions about my figures ask them! don't wait for me to tell you............
     
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    You answers do not matter Lanc, his statistics say so... :lol:
     
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    :evil4: Very true Alder they do and Lancs figures back up what syscoms statistics say...
     
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    If he has more data about the statistics then post them. If it clarifies how the stats were derived then we can discuss it.

    And I proved plenty about the production rates. Among them:
    1) The B24 was built in far more quantities per factory than the Lanc.
    2) Untill Flyboy finally found some data showing how many man hours were needed to build the B24, noone really knew who was better. We still dont have the data for the Lanc other than we figure it was similar to another Brit bomber.
    3) I had some preliminary data for the B24. None of you had anything for the Lanc. Some data for the B24 beats out NO data for the Lanc.
    4) We all learned a bunch about bomber production.
     
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