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Thanks for posting that, and it is very informative. I would agree with Harris that Imperial troops seem to get more credit or more distinction in people's eyes. The Ghurkas being the fiercest, the Canadians and Australians seemingly the toughest (if we remember them we throw in the South Africans), and only then do we rank the regular British troops, with the Scotts being the toughest. After the last of the Britons are counted, we then rank the Indians and Africans in fighting quality. It's a mix of nationalism, racism and colonialism.Hi
Harris, who had gone to, the then, Rhodesia at the age of 16 (1908) to seek 'adventure' (working in various jobs including mining, farming and coach driving) joined the 1st Rhodesia Regiment at the outbreak of WW1, fighting in the brief campaign in German South West Africa before returning to Britain to join the RFC, completing his pilot training in January 1916. He wrote the following in his book 'Bomber Offensive', pages 63-64 reference 'colonials' to put it in context:
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It should also be remembered that No. 408 (Goose) Squadron formed in No. 5 Group RAF, equipped with Hampdens when it joined, in July 1941, so that's what it got. All the RAF Hampden Squadrons flew more sorties with this aircraft than 408, as the RAF sqns had been operational since the outbreak of war. 408 moved to No. 4 Group when equipped with the Halifax. No. 6 (Canadian) Group was only formed at the beginning of January 1943.
Mike
That paper can say what people want it to say. It is a mistake to think that giving the best equipment to a squadron means you are somehow looking after them in preference to others. 617 squadron always had the best equipment, some specifically designed for a mission, they also suffered huge losses on individual missions. On the final Tirpitz raid the whole squadron came within minutes of being intercepted, and if they were intercepted they would have been destroyed because most armament had been removed. If shot down before sinking the Tirpitz it would have been a disaster, if shot down after it would have been a success and new crews recruited and trained as they had before for losses on other missions like the dams and Emms canal. Look at the table at the bottom of page 13.I mentioned the Hampden to correct the record. Your post seemed to imply that the RCAF didn't fly Hampdens. Since you mentioned it, I did some further research and found what I think is further ammunition for my argument. The RCAF used the Hampden in the bomber role much longer than the RAF. The last mission over Germany by Hampdens was flown by RCAF 408 Squadron in September 1942. . The RAF had withdrawn their Hampdens (7 squadrons) from Bomber Command in April, 5 months earlier. RCAF Squadron 420 flew its last Hampden in August. The counter argument is that 5 of those squadrons received Manchesters. (Out of the frying pan into the fire) As for the Stirling, luckily for the Canadians, most of the Stirling squadrons were formed before the Canadians showed up in force. Luckily for everyone, the Luftwaffe's bombing of the Shorts factory in Rochester was an own goal in that it set back Stirling production and thereby limited the number of Stirling squadrons.
In his book Bomber Offensive, Sir Arthur Harris spends a few paragraphs disparaging the capabilities of "colonials" (he specifically included Canadians in his list). I would presume that if he had any say in the distribution of aircraft, he would favour the airmen he considered to be superior. " ….and I say without hesitation that the finest fighting crews of the whole lot were beyond a doubt the British crews……" I don't know if this was a general view in the RAF but Harris generally got what he wanted.
Certainly, the Canadians were done no favours as an all Halifax group for most of the war and as I pointed out previously RAFs Group 4 received the superior Halifax Mk VI while the RCAF received the Mk VII.
The attached paper is an interesting comparison of the capabilities of the Halifax vs the Lancaster
Note that the loss rates even for the Lancaster were well beyond sustainable. Harris almost succeeded in completely destroying his command for no real advantage. The man who always belittled others for their advocacy of "Panacea Target's" went for the biggest Panacea Target of them all. In that time frame he could have done much greater damage to the Ruhr, likely at a lower cost.
The attached paper is an interesting comparison of the capabilities of the Halifax vs the Lancaster
with or without turrets?
Harris gets lots of criticism post-war, but he was given a thankless job, turning Bomber Command around and making it something workable, because of his skill as a leader.
The claimed speeds seem high, if the planes still had their turrets.
Hey A.G. Williams,
Blenheim B Mk I_____283 mph at 15,000 ft (10,960 lbs, Mercury XIII engine, 4x .303 cal belly pack and 2x .303 cal top turret).
Blenheim B Mk IV____266 mph at 12,000 ft (13,500 lbs, Mercuey XV engine, 2x .303 cal under nose rear defense blister and 2x .303 cal top turret).
Blenheim F Mk IV____260 mph at 12,000 ft (13,800 lbs, Mercury XV engine, 4x .303 cal belly pack and 2x .303 cal top turret).
All data from Air Ministry ADS, both Mk IV dated 1941, the Mk I dated 1941.
From the above, there are clearly inconsistencies in published performance data. So, what were the realistic maximum speeds of the fighter Blenheims, with or without turrets?
Retractable (or semi-retractable turrets) may have been good for cruising speed/range but deploying an air brake just when you need max speed/evasion seems counter intuitive
Turret up or down?