The Flat Earth society

herman1rg said:

To which moon are you referring?

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The hologram or the cheese one?

My brother, many years ago, worked on a roofing crew with a born again christian who tried to proselytize while 3 stories up.

He asked my brother if he believed in Christ and my brother replied "no",

He then asked if my brother celebrated Christmas to which my brother replied "yes"

The next question was "how can you celebrate Christmas if you don't believe in Christ?

My brother replied, deadpan and holding a roofing hammer in his hand " I believe in Santa Claus"

End of missionary work.

wuzak said:

the flat earth hold to many other conspiracy theories

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The problem is that using the very term "Conspiracy Theory" evokes an automatic "they're nut-jobs" viewpoint. I suspect that the best way to hide a heinous plot is to announce it as a conspiracy. Would you believe:
Project Sunshine - The US government was stealing parts of dead bodies. Because they needed young tissue, they recruited a worldwide network of agents to find recently deceased babies and children, and then take samples and even limbs - each collected without notification or permission of the more than 1,500 grieving families.
Prohibition - To enforce the alcohol ban between 1926 and 1933, the federal government pushed manufacturers to use stronger poisons to discourage bootleggers from turning the alcohol into moonshine.
That didn't stop the bootleggers or their customers, and by the end of Prohibition, more than 10,000 Americans had been killed by tainted booze.
Government Mind Control - Only REAL nut-jobs would believe that - Enter MK-ULTRA, and it was real. The CIA started by using volunteers - the novelist Ken Kesey was one notable subject. But the program heads soon began dosing people without their knowledge; MK-ULTRA left many victims permanently mentally disabled.
The Government is spying on us - Another real nut-job one, right - In 2016, government agencies sent 49,868 requests for user data to Facebook, 27,850 to Google, and 9,076 to Apple, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (the EFF), a major nonprofit organisation that defends civil liberties in the digital world and advises the public on matters of internet privacy.
Canada the we welcome everyone country - In the 1960s, the Canadian government hired a university professor to develop a way to detect homosexuality in federal employees. He came up with a machine (called GayDar) that measured pupil dilation in response to same-sex-erotic imagery; the Canadian government used it to exclude or fire more than 400 men from civil service, the military, and the Mounties.
The Illuminati and the NSA work together - I'll let you discover this one for yourself. Type ILLUMINATI backwards and add Dot-Com (.com) into your browser and see what happens

Now NONE of this makes any of the Flat Earth theory more believable or true. But pejorative names and evoking conspiracy-nut-jobism to disprove their theories is just as anti-science

A modern airliner is goes about 0.8 Mach flies about 40,000 feet. So no better than a 1950s Boeing 707 or DC-8. So much for progress.

But some website said that a 1970s jetliner had afterburner, go Mach 2.04, fly 60,000ft, carry 120 passengers and fly the Atlantic!!!

If that was the case we would be flying Mach 10 and VTOL. These conspiracy websites feeding us garbage like we is chumps.

Ah yes, the conspiracy of the Concorde. Concorde was a French-British turbojet-powered supersonic passenger airliner that was operated from 1976 until 2003. It had a maximum speed over twice the speed of sound at Mach 2.04 (1,354 mph or 2,180 km/h at cruise altitude), with seating for 92 to 128 passengers. First flown in 1969, Concorde entered service in 1976 and continued flying for the next 27 years. It is one of only two supersonic transports to have been operated commercially; the other is the Soviet-built Tupolev Tu-144, which operated in service from 1977 to 1978. Concorde had a maximum cruise altitude of 18,300 metres (60,039 ft).
The aircraft used reheat (afterburners) at take-off and to pass through the upper transonic regime and to supersonic speeds, between Mach 0.95 and Mach 1.7. The afterburners were switched off at all other times.

I wanted to use the word reheat but not sure if it is understood internationally so had to use afterburner.

Concorde was excellent at dispensing chemtrails due to the colder atmospheric temperatures at higher altitudes and its sonic booms were in fact acoustic cannons used to make thunder to control weather.

It was said that Concorde flew so high you could easily see how flat the Earth was.

mikewint said:

The problem is that using the very term "Conspiracy Theory" evokes an automatic "they're nut-jobs" viewpoint.

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While some conspiracy theories have been shown to be true, most are not.

All I said is that flat earthers, by and large, believe in a number of conspiracy theories. I did not say they are nut jobs, or mean to imply it.

But many are, in fact nut jobs. And many are not. There is a whole range of flat earthers, from nut job to outright fraud (people who promote the theory for money but do not actually believe it).

This happens to be one of my all-time favorite "chemtrail" pix.

Of course, I've used it plenty of times in "discussions" with the "spraying" crowd, who insist that contrails never existed before the early 60's.

I'm pretty sure that there were a good many Germans in the mid-1940's who would disagree with that notion...

wuzak said:

While some conspiracy theories have been shown to be true, most are not.

All I said is that flat earthers, by and large, believe in a number of conspiracy theories. I did not say they are nut jobs, or mean to imply it.

But many are, in fact nut jobs. And many are not. There is a whole range of flat earthers, from nut job to outright fraud (people who promote the theory for money but do not actually believe it).

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But they are...

If I say that flat earth is scientific fact, then fair play to question the validity of my views.

But if I said flat earth is my religion then don't you dare blasphemous in my presence!

Problem is we live in a world of organised religion and where midi-chlorians decide how strong we are with the force. Fed all kinds of bovine excrement by government and Hollywood by politicians.

And we can't see oxygen but told we need to breathe it to live. Or wireless or Internet signals. So we take a lot of truth on face value. Don't even know how my body works.

So if some woman says she don't believe the round earth view then can you blame her?

It takes 2 people to lie. One to believe it and the other to tell it!

GrauGeist said:

I'm pretty sure that there were a good many Germans in the mid-1940's

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Not any more, they were killed by the toxins being sprayed by those primitive initial "chemtrails"

Yeah...instead of "spraying" barium, chromium, cadmium, nickle and other such materials, they bringing an iron rain to the Axis.

Personally, I think we should gather all the flat Earthers together...










...and push them off the edge.



-Irish

The Earth can not possibly be flat - I live on a hill !!!

Airframes said:

The Earth can not possibly be flat - I live on a hill !!!

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Cues the beatles ..
the fool on the hill

mikewint said:

The problem is that using the very term "Conspiracy Theory" evokes an automatic "they're nut-jobs" viewpoint. I suspect that the best way to hide a heinous plot is to announce it as a conspiracy. Would you believe:

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You know far too much about this stuff, Mike. Should we be worried?

Watched that Netflix doco on flat earthers, Behind the curve: very intriguing; it delves not into the theories but the types of individuals who subscribe to it. Trailer below:

Every morning, when I clean the cat's litter box, I uncover conspiracy theorists by the scoopload.

They are dumped into a plastic bag and carried out to the trash with never a second thought...

nuuumannn said:

Should we be worried?

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YUP!

GrauGeist said:

with never a second thought...

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Dave you and I agree 99% of the time but here we depart. While I surely agree that the vast majority of these plots are pure nonsense, the attitude you advance is the reason some pretty nasty real conspiracies have succeeded or come frighteningly close. Just two more examples:

In 1960, it was discovered that the monkey kidney cells used to make the Salk polio vaccine could cause cancer. Americans were not told about this, and between 1955 and 1963, nearly 100 million children were given this contaminated vaccine. Although the cells were removed from polio vaccines in 1963, scientists around the world continue to identify them in human brain, bone and lung cancers of children and adults.

Approved by the Pentagon chiefs, the Department of Defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the CIA, Operation Northwoods was a proposed plan to fabricate acts of terrorism on U.S. soil. If carried out, it would've killed innocent citizens to trick the public into supporting a war against Cuba in the early 1960s. The operation even proposed blowing up a U.S. ship and hijacking planes as a false pretext for war. Luckily, John F. Kennedy, who was the President at the time, put a stop to this planned operation.

Want to touch upon the operations of the major cigarette manufactures through the years?

I saw what i thought I saw was like a black panther near Stirling Castle.

But I couldn't. But I did. Or did I? It was for a very short moment.

So either there was a black panther. Or I was mistaken and it was something else. Or I am nuts. Or all 3.

I don't go round saying I saw a panther coz I don't wanna be seen as a loony but if there was a large cat roaming the fields the. Surely that's a thing? Maybe conspiracy theories are real and all are genuine but average Joe wants to keep his job and his medical record clean of electric shock therapy so that time he was kidnapped by aliens and winces at the size of the anal probe is kept firmly quiet.

Have you noticed that most conspiracy people have poor cameras? We now all pretty much have a decent camera and video recorders in our pockets now at all times so ufo and bigfoot photos should be ten a penny but they are not. Odd that.

The Basket said:

I saw what i thought I saw was like a black panther near Stirling Castle.

But I couldn't. But I did. Or did I? It was for a very short moment.

So either there was a black panther. Or I was mistaken and it was something else. Or I am nuts. Or all 3.

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If memory serves, there were rumours of a panther, or panthers, prowling a part of Victoria.

Meanwhile, there have been numerous sightings of the Tasmanian Tiger (thylacine) around Tasmania (as you would expect), South Australia and even Queensland, several thousand miles north.

The Basket said:

Have you noticed that most conspiracy people have poor cameras? We now all pretty much have a decent camera and video recorders in our pockets now at all times so ufo and bigfoot photos should be ten a penny but they are not. Odd that.

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In general, yes, the picture quality is poor.

For flat earther's the camera of choice is/was the Nikon P900. This is mainly because of the great zoom range.

One of the tricks used is to take a video of a boat near the horizon. They would zoom out so the boat is so small, it can be barely be seen, if at all, and declare that it is over the horizon. Then they would use the zoom capabilities of the camera to bring the boat into view and say that it was brought into view "from over the horizon", which would be impossible on a round Earth. Invariably such videos show the horizon to be beyond the boat.

Another trick is to take a video of a planet, such as Venus. Most flat earthers deny the existence of space and other planets, so being able to zoom in and see Venus or Mars is a problem. What they would usually do is to zoom into Venus, but the P900 could not auto focus and did not have a manual focus ring, so the image would not look like a planet, but more like a fuzzy ball of light.