marseille jr
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- Mar 28, 2005
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By the way by his own modesty when interviewed in the post war years, he felt Hartmann and Marseille were the "best.
The more u research, the more u learn...
Point is, if u survived long enough in the air, u were great
marseille jr said:modesty? ... that's ... brains 8)
No, it's modesty, graciousness and a sign of true leadership.
Are u calling me a moron??? With 12 posts under ur belt, thats about the biggest mistake u could make here....Quote:
The more u research, the more u learn...
And the more on gets stuck in his own opinions and refuses to look at it from another way.
WTH does that have to do with researching a pilots accomplishments in WWII???The most important scientific laws were all devised by scientists in their young and fresh years.
Im not talking about "opinions", im talking about documented evidence of Heinz Bars' accomplishments in the pilot seat.....I've read opinions of many other "specialists", always Marseille, Hartmann or Nishizawa pop up there.
No shiit....this ain't physics or mathematics.
Ur obviously trying to make a point there, but damn if i cant see it... Ur trying to compare faulty aircraft and bad luck to pilot skill???Quote:
Point is, if u survived long enough in the air, u were great
Yeah right. If one flies a poorly contrived aircraft and the wing falls of suddenly or the landing gear comes out (happened to Lang) during a dogfight ...you end up dead, even when named Marseille or Bär or Von Richthofen.
Are u actually implying that the guys who flew combat missions for years and years werent all great pilots???
No, it's modesty, graciousness and a sign of true leadership.
Are u calling me a moron??? With 12 posts under ur belt, thats about the biggest mistake u could make here....
Im not talking about "opinions", im talking about documented evidence of Heinz Bars' accomplishments in the pilot seat.....
give it up ............ it's Heinz Bär !
I totally agree with u 100%, but please state it that ur original post, rather than making no sense...on the contrary, I contend that some of them died before they could prove how great they were.
Hell Freakin Yea u are.....................Everyone is entitled to make a stand here right?
No Gentleman or Great Military Leader would ever claim himself to be better than his peers...... Theres no honor in that... Honor the Dead...It's Marseille Sr. Even Bär himself admitted it.
Since u havent done ur homework here, one of the more respected researchers in the world concerning the Luftwaffe happens to be involved in this discussion... Some of the stuff u have read concerning WWII aviation, he was responsible for researching......as if those 'other' opinions would be mere conjecture... Come on.
kinda funny you keep posting pics of Rudi
yes Bär was a mild mannered man but a killer in the air. At least Bär was not egotistical as Marseille and many others. Bär wins by a landslide.
I totally agree with u 100%, but please state it that ur original post, rather than making no sense...
Basically, I think u can take what erich says as the truth of the matter... It is after all an opinion, so really, who's opinion is wrong???
Jesus Christ dude... YES IT IS......... Did u even bother to read my post above???Hey Primus, isn't discussing what a thread is all about? So don't execute me pls
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Everyone is entitled to make a stand here right?
Hell Freakin Yea u are.....................
It is after all an opinion, so really, who's opinion is wrong???
The point is u didnt make a point..... Einstein wasnt guessing, and it wasnt his opinion either... He was a scientist... This is not science...I hope you get my point this time (= nobody is always right).
Marseille had he been given the chance to fly a Bf 109G-6 or AS version or G-10, G-14 may very well have been overwhelmed and shot down by P-51 escorts. I could easily visualize his individual performane against 1 P-51 at a time but 6-10 would be different story. As well as flying a Kanonboot and flying in wedge formation something that would of been distasteful to one whom performed better without the wingman present
An opinion cannot be wrong. An opinion is someone's feeling towards the matter, it's not information or facts. Therefore, it cannot be wrong. Einstein didn't have an opinion, he had a theory based upon facts.
I dont know if that deserves a can or a kick......Don't try and tell me about my own language.
The opinion itself cannot be wrong, the information that created that opinion can.