The Guns We Own

[mikewint]

Torch, if you are not waking up covered in lighter fluid you're probably forgiven
Sad when you have to sell them, then years later it costa a small fortune to get a duplicate. Besides my Python I sold a double barrel 12ga L.C. Smith shotgun Dad bought me when I turned 16. I'll never see another one in this life

 

[Torch]

Alot were sold to cover a divorce(strike one,not the present wife)I regret getting rid of a bunch of them. I have kept my granddads French made SxS 16g and I have my fathers Belgium Browning Lightning O/U 12g, His Remmie 700 in a .308 that has taken more than it's fair share of deer. Also have my mother's deceased cousins 8mm sporterized Mauser and a great friends SS Beretta 92 compact(in the pic) who passed away way too young. I will hold onto them as long as I can. Since I have no kids it's going to be tough on whom I leave the stuff to. Probably 2 nephews, one is only 8 and he won't appreciate them,other is 21. Don't know if he gets married if he will have enough back bone to hold onto them. We'll see....Maybe my Ed Brown Special Forces to my niece who is ROTC now but heading into the med corp for 5 or so years. Then again I plan on living longer than that.

 

[Matt308]

Yeah, strange how the newer generation is disinterested. Likely our fault. When was the last time we took neighbor kids shooting? Then again that is an expensive proposition that we typically reserve for just us or our immediate family. Different times.

 

[javlin]

Yeah, strange how the newer generation is disinterested. Likely our fault. When was the last time we took neighbor kids shooting? Then again that is an expensive proposition that we typically reserve for just us or our immediate family. Different times.

Yea been awhile but have done it one of my son's friends went acouple of times.That day I brought 6-8 rifles and plenty of ammo and I guess if memory serves me right we stayed about 3-4 hours.The boy had to shoot every one of the rifles .Needless to say by the end of the afternoon(14yrs old) his shoulder was sore but had a smile on his face.He shot everything from 30 carbine>30-06>8mm.He had shot in real life what Call of Duty had presented in the game for the most part.

 

[Matt308]

Yep. My youngest boy got a huge smile on his face loading my Dad's Remington 870 12ga. He said, while it sounds just like Xbox, it was not accomplished near as fast as Master Chief! Hah!

[HALO reference for those not familiar with gaming]

 

[GrauGeist]

While working the action on an 870 has a great sound (unless you're a bad guy in a dark room...and you don't have an 870), my money is on the sound of my military Remington square-back when you relase the bolt-lock and the chamber closes.

Now that's a sound that will make a bad guy in a dark room become friends with Jesus in a hurry...

 

[Matt308]

Ah... I have my grandfather's Browning A-5 (made in Belgium) that he purchased in the 1960s. If I'm thinking of the same Remington, we have similar looking shotguns. (pic from internet) Mine doesn't have the ribbed barrel. It is cylinder choke and was used for deer hunting back int he day. But she is gorgeous.

 

[GrauGeist]

You can't beat the Belgian Browning squareback for beauty and function.

My Remington is the same, but it's a military version and has seen use. I posted a photo of it in this thread quite some time back

 

[mikewint]

Then liability rears its ugly little head. Just recently in MO several friends were target shooting when one of the pistols "went off by itself" the bullet hit one of the gals in the head and she died a few days later. Police charged the shooter with "armed criminal action" and "reckless endangerment" now that she died other charges are being considered

 

[Matt308]

You have got to be f**king kidding me. Kinda like snowboarding down glacier crevasses, dying and suing the flipping national/state park. I hates people. But that is another thread.

And how does it go off by itself and yet a human is charged. [rhetorical question, I really don't want to know]

 

[GrauGeist]

I wonder if "went off by itself" meant that a dud round wasn't properly cleared?

Or maybe it was just another case of those sinister "guns" being up to no good, just waiting to cause havoc when no one is looking...

 

[mikewint]

SARCOXIE, Mo. -- A man from Joplin is charged with involuntary manslaughter for the death of a woman who was shot in the head. Windell Douglas Daniels, 31, was charged on Monday for the shooting of Kelly Crawford on Saturday morning near Sarcoxie. Crawford died at a hospital on Sunday.
A probable-cause affidavit says the homeowner told investigators that he, Daniels and Crawford had been drinking and shooting guns before the shooting.

A detective's probable cause statement says Daniels, who was intoxicated, was inside the home using the laser aiming device and flashlight on a gun when the weapon went off, injuring Crawford.

 

[Torch]

Nothing good comes out of mixing booze with guns,cars etc...

 

[Matt308]

Amen to that.

 

[mikewint]

Unfortunately we all get painted with the same broad brush

 

[Shortround6]

tens of thousands of loaded guns have existed in drawers, cabinets, closets, under beds and on shelves for many, many, many years without a verified instance of ONE of them going off "by itself" (aside from being caught in a fire or some such). Yet the number of guns that have gone off "by themselves" when held in somebody's hand/s is rather high.

Must be the presence of body oil or body temperature or..........?


Please note I am not saying that these are 'safe' storage methods/locations.

 

[GrauGeist]

tens of thousands of loaded guns have existed in drawers, cabinets, closets, under beds and on shelves for many, many, many years without a verified instance of ONE of them going off "by itself" ...

Back in the early 80's, I discovered a Marlin Model 1893 rifle while exploring an old barn in eastern Orange county. It had been standing in the corner of the tack room for at least 60 years and was in remarkable condition.

I wasn't able to check the chamber because the lever action was stiff from so many years of inactivity so I took a little extra care with it. Once home, I discovered it was not only loaded (two in the magazine), but had a .30-30 round chambered.

The old addage of "assume it's always loaded" certainly applied here and I also noticed that in all those decades of sitting idle, it clearly shows that it didn't leap off the bench and loose a few rounds when no one was looking...

 

[mikewint]

Shortround, while I do understand gun-safes and trigger-locks, a locked-up gun is no better than a rock. I do lock up a few of my more valuable guns but I keep a loaded automatic in in the night-stand, a loaded 20ga autoloader in the hall closet, and my .45 in the basement. That being said I have no kiddies at home and even if I did I feel that education and familiarity are the key not locks. Take away the "forbiden fruit" mystique and familiarize and educate. As close as you will get to safety.
Matt might chime in as I know he has youngins
Dave we had it drumed and beatin in to our pointd little heads: MUZZLE AWARENESS

 

[Shortround6]

A friend ( ex USAMTU member and his family owned the largest commercial range on the east coast) once told me that if you fool around with guns long enough you will have an accidental discharge. The difference between a humbling story and a tragedy
is, as you say, MUZZLE AWARENESS.


With your lack of little ones about your method of "storage" may be quite safe and depending on response time of your local police it may be safer for you and yours than having them all under lock and key should you need them. Your situation is not for me to judge. Just pointing out that I have never heard of a gun going off "all by itself " without some form of "assistance".

 

[Matt308]

When my boys were very young, my home defense guns were kept in quick access safes (2-push 5 button cipher lock). Push, push, open, bang. Personally, I wasn't worried about my boys actually getting ahold of my guns, but rather some of their young buddies whom I didn't know well enough to make such a judgement of responsibility. Now that they are older, I have my Glock sitting next to my bed. But still keep my wifes Ruger SP101 in a quick access safe. I'm more afraid now that some of their friends might grab their katana or wakizashi, start playing samurai and lop off an arm or leg. You could shave with my oldest boy's katana.