Joe2
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I saw on T.V that it was so cold on that winter that the M1s had to be cocked manually as the cold prevented semi-auto fireing. Please help me on this mater.
The M1 in the Ardennes
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
I find that hard to believe. If the primer could be struck, no realistic amount of ice is gonna prevent 48,000PSI from pushing back on that operating rod. 
Probably a misinterpretation. Now the striker mechanism being getting frozen? Maybe. But again, once freed, semi-auto here we come.
Probably a misinterpretation. Now the striker mechanism being getting frozen? Maybe. But again, once freed, semi-auto here we come.
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Joe2
Banned
It just proves you can't trust television
mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
ya think???
trackend
Chief Master Sergeant
I find that a bit hard to believe as well, even on the Russian front it was the vehicle engines that froze not the small arms and that was a tad cooler than the Bulge.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
M1's were used quite successfully in the Aleutions that were quite cold, muddy and wet.
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
But there wasnt really any fighting on the Aleutions
syscom3
Pacific Historian
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
Okay yeah i looked it up..............thats a pretty f*cking Looooooooooow intensity fight man, the battle was also fought in August, SUMMER TIME
i looked at all the pictures of the battle man.......No Snow.......thats means it must have tested the M1's ability because it was so cold.......
i looked at all the pictures of the battle man.......No Snow.......thats means it must have tested the M1's ability because it was so cold.......
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
The M1 worked quite well in the cold in Korea also. Wasn't too low intensity there. Remember the Frozen Chosin?
mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
Ohhh Chosin Resevoir - where 1st Marine Division was surrounded by Chinese forces. THat same Marine Div rendered 10 Chinese divisions combat ineffective and withdrew.
A couple quotes I believe came out of that battle:
"We're surrounded... that simplifies things." LtGen Chesty Puller
"Retreat, Hell!... we're attacking in another direction." MajGen Oliver Smith
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
I am quite familiar with the Garand having trained with it in the service and I can imagine how, if the action is dirty and possibly the wrong kind of lubricant is used and the gas port dirty, under many conditions(not just extreme cold) the action may function in a "lazy" fashion and not fully extract the fired case thus doing away with semi-auto fire. An exceptionally dirty chamber could contribute to that problem too.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Okay yeah i looked it up..............thats a pretty f*cking Looooooooooow intensity fight man, the battle was also fought in August, SUMMER TIME
i looked at all the pictures of the battle man.......No Snow.......thats means it must have tested the M1's ability because it was so cold.......
So the other 2 years the US was there, they ignored problems with the M1?
And I guess the troops training in the upper midwest never noticed its problems when it was -40F?
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Joe2
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Il take that as a 'no the M1 did not loose it's semi-automaticness in the Ardennes...'
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
No im not saying that, but i highly doubt the concern was about the weapon quality, considering that most of the casualties were frostbite and flu patients, and victims of friendly fire
but the U.S and Canadian Forces were not there for two years
that battle was started June 6, 1942 and ended August 15, 1943
Matt308
Glock Perfection
syscom3
Pacific Historian
They were there untill the end of the war, thriugh the years untiull the M14 was introduced.
And no reported problems.
