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Drove a Pacific P12 gravel truck for 20 miles on a logging road after it lost it's power steering
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Did you notice a difference?Drove a Pacific P12 gravel truck for 20 miles on a logging road after it lost it's power steering
Actually, its descendant. The first Aztrucks were originally marketed as Apache 235s. We had a couple, alias U11s, at the NAS. Unlike the later "true" Aztecs, they had a rather small nosewheel, and would all too frequently collapse the nosegear when taxied fast across the arresting gear. Expensive mishap: two props, two engines, eight engine mount donuts, one nose gear assembly, and rebuilt nosegear trunnion supports. The annual operating cost of an "economical" U11 turned out to be greater than a US2B (Yes, Virginia, there actually was such a thing!) and nearly as much as an SH3. And the "used to be" offered so much more ego gratification for testosterone poisoned naval aviators with its two big hairy chested radials and the elevated perch of its cockpit. Dreams of "hitting the boat" and joining a deploying squadron were seldom far from the thoughts of aviators who'd drawn a dead end NAS assignment because they scared the LSO during carrier quals in advanced training.Then I flew it's predecessor the Aztec & it was a love affair all over again
Did you try one at cruise power in a 2G 60° bank? I've heard the vee tails aren't so gentle accelerated. The T34 would let go at a little over 3Gs, and it had a bit of gyration, but nothing scary, and ailerons came back immediately. 240 kt Vne was kind of nice to have.I could laze around at 45 knots and every now and then it would stall by just gently dropping the nose
Our Navy club had a 150 'bat too, and those crazy nugget aviators from the F4 RAG squadron, after turning and burning all day in their jets, would come over and take out the T34 and the 'bat and continue their ACM adventures. Fortunately they were just scared enough of the teeny weenies to not press things too hard, and we never had any incidents. (If you discount the occasional civilian private pilot who blundered into their playground) Suppose we ought to get back to P38s?our local flying school had an A152 Scareobat for doing things like that.
This is a question for Biff. He's our Eagle man. But based on my experience with new hire FOs in the humble Be1900, I'd say the biggest challenge would be "brain speed". Things happen at about twice the pace of the Seminoles, Senecas, and Duchesses most of these kids had been instructing in, and there are more things that have to happen. Jets only increase the brain speed jump, not to mention having new and strange procedures and handling characteristics. Just the transition from left hand control yoke right hand throttle to left throttle right stick can be daunting to a low time pilot who's become set in their reflexes. I made that transition at 95 hours total time, and despite hours of practice time sitting in the cockpit on the ground, it took 2 1/2 hours in the air before I was comfortable with it. And the T34 is about as intuitive as a stick-and-rudder plane gets. Forget aerobatics. Your average Cessna pilot is not prepared for that in any aircraft.Question.... Could a capable Cessna pilot get into a F-15 and fly it about? I'm not talking about combat but just take off and landing and basic aerobatics? In my limited view, I would suspect that it something that is possible.
This is a question for Biff. He's our Eagle man. But based on my experience with new hire FOs in the humble Be1900, I'd say the biggest challenge would be "brain speed". Things happen at about twice the pace of the Seminoles, Senecas, and Duchesses most of these kids had been instructing in, and there are more things that have to happen. Jets only increase the brain speed jump, not to mention having new and strange procedures and handling characteristics. Just the transition from left hand control yoke right hand throttle to left throttle right stick can be daunting to a low time pilot who's become set in their reflexes. I made that transition at 95 hours total time, and despite hours of practice time sitting in the cockpit on the ground, it took 2 1/2 hours in the air before I was comfortable with it. And the T34 is about as intuitive as a stick-and-rudder plane gets. Forget aerobatics. Your average Cessna pilot is not prepared for that in any aircraft.
It'll be interesting to see what Biff has to say.
Cheers,
Wes
those individual pilots themselves who were fully capable of adapting to such rapid changes. So obviously they were far above what we would classify as an "idiot."
Not to belabor the obvious, but isn't this what military flight training is all about; weeding out the "idiots" and cranking out "decent pilots" who can absorb and apply the fine points of "using one as a weapon"?Any decent pilot should with enough dual time be able to solo it out in my opine. It's relatively easy to fly point A to B. Using one as a weapon is an entirely different event.
Of those I had one guy, a fairly buff looking crew chief, who could take more G than me. I was amazed and kept stepping up the G and never had him call uncle. Very unusual! Giggled like a school girl the entire time. His was probably the best one I ever did!
To me or at least in my view, you have to design something in the sense that it is to be used by a complete idiot.
Whether it's a rifle or aircraft or car or computer software then besr case scenario is make it like a child's toy so that it won't go wrong because you have designed it to not gone wrong.
So the idea of a qualified capable pilot should get into a mass production aircraft and fly it no bother to me is perfectly reasonable.
End of the day, test pilots must leave their ego at the door and think along the lines of how would the greenest worst pilot fly this in bad weather? Maybe I'm wrong on this.
Question.... Could a capable Cessna pilot get into a F-15 and fly it about? I'm not talking about combat but just take off and landing and basic aerobatics? In my limited view, I would suspect that it something that is possible.
I suspect not without at least some instruction, and even so, could probably not land.
Of course, the USAF's security would probably keep the Cessna pilot away and the ground crew wouldn't help t his stranger in. Can F-15's even start without a GPU?
Not to belabor the obvious, but isn't this what military flight training is all about; weeding out the "idiots" and cranking out "decent pilots" who can absorb and apply the fine points of "using one as a weapon"?
Cheers,
Wes
Not that guy probably. Sorry for off topic.
And how! We used to see both ends of the bell curve. Bottom of the class types who managed to squeak by carrier quals, just barely, but gave the LSOs heart attacks in the process would get assigned to a Naval Air Station ops department, where their flying would be secondary to their collateral duties, they would be first in line come RIF time, and chances for augmentation to a regular commission were nil. The nuggets coming through the F4 RAG, OTOH, were generally top notch. And the instructors were all Vietnam seasoned and holding regular commissions. Some really great guys.In my opine there is a decent spread between the top and the bottom guys in a pilot training class.