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Cheers Joe! Also, with all this electronics...how long before we're back to square one, when it'll be all up to, well, guns and the pilots abilities, because the radar and the missiles won't see the target....
 
Cheers Joe! Also, with all this electronics...how long before we're back to square one, when it'll be all up to, well, guns and the pilots abilities, because the radar and the missiles won't see the target....

Very true - it happened in Vietnam with the MiG-17.
 
Not really - I think it would take years if not decades to see the -22 or -35 being effectively countered.
I don't know what you base those assertions on, the F-22 is only "superior" so long as its stealth remains in full effect, should the stealth be compromised (weather conditions could be one cause, think rain) then she would have a problem. The fact is that "stealth" only decreases detectability, it doesn't make you invisible and once she switches on her radar or get close enough to an enemy aircraft…

Don't get me wrong, she is impressive in many ways but I'm affraid she may prove to be more window dressing. I'd actually go so far as to say that any modern combat aircraft is obsolete as soon as it enters service, not so much design wise as countermeasure wise, today's tech is moving in a very rapid pace and also to a much lower cost, which means that you could get away with a more conventional (or, if you will, "simpler") design yet with more than adequate performance whilst saving money in the process.


just my 2cents


//Eric
 
The F-22's stealth capability is just one part of the aircraft's superiority - unlike first and second generation Stealth aircraft, rain won't necessarily compromise the F-22s RCS. Additionally the RCS material is a lot more durable than what was found on the F-117A and the B-2
While I could agree with that, the obsolescence of a modern combat aircraft is also dependent on what your potential adversary is developing. The closest aircraft in operational capability is the Typhoon. Aside from that I see no other close competitors.

Its funny though - I could also remember hearing folks say the same thing in the early 70s when the F-15 is being developed.
 

i will hurt them so much if that happends
 
True that stealth is one of the aircrafts abilities and with that comes also the tradeoffs, as with any other design, conventional or otherwise. Regarding combat conditions they are very seldom perfect since battle is not a static affair, neither the weather, things happen.

True, but development during peace time opposed to war time is different; you are not as hard pressed on time. In a war situation (should it drag out over a long period of time) things would quickly change, and history has showed on that on more then one occasion, people tend to increase their ingenuity and results tend to follow.

Its funny though - I could also remember hearing folks say the same thing in the early 70s when the F-15 is being developed.
I was never involved in such discussions myself and will refrain from commenting on it, as such, though I hope that you didn't try to infer that I would have fitted/or/fit in that category as based on my thoughts around the F-22.


We will just wait and see what happens to her, and again; darn she is a beauty!


//Eric
 

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I'd rather go with the more modern "version" and some meteor ramjet missiles to be honest, whilst your at it; give me some of that A 1 paint too.

Nice pick of that classic Clay, very nice.



Ps:
I have to confess however (but don't tell anyone please) that I have a thing for French birds, just can't help it.


//Eric
 
Agree

and agree...

I was never involved in such discussions myself and will refrain from commenting on it, as such, though I hope that you didn't try to infer that I would have fitted/or/fit in that category as based on my thoughts around the F-22.
Not really - but in the 1970s there were many critics wondering why we were developing the F-14 and F-15, still clinging to the old "obsolete air-to-air fighter theory when in the 60s, Vietnam and the Israeli-Arab conflicts showed us differently.
We will just wait and see what happens to her, and again; darn she is a beauty!


//Eric

And agree!

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