US Fighters shooting down Soviet fighters - Berlin 1945 ???

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

A bit of advice - scenes from historical films can not be passed off as historical fact! Even if they do have Rachel Weise in then.

LOL I Like the way you put that.

 

[dysonsphere]

Perhaps you should remember Stalin killed more of his plp than the Germans did

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

any source to back that up?

 

[lesofprimus]

The 20 plus million military and civilian Soviet dead you cheerfully describe as idiots made it possible for the Allies in the west to defeat the Nazis and win the Second World War.

Damn right Med...

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That is very true, imagine if the Soviets had collapsed and then Hitler could have put his whole might on the West in early 1943.

 

[Hunter368]

That is very true, imagine if the Soviets had collapsed and then Hitler could have put his whole might on the West in early 1943.

If that would of happened, which it should of if Germany armies were run by their Generals, it would of very interesting indeed. Mmmmmm

 

[Smokey]

Yep, Hitler lost the war with his delayed attack on Stalin, and allied convoys seem to have been very important.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Exactly, the German commanders were never in charge eneogh. Hitler tied there hands behind there backs just eneogh with his demented ways and illusions of total victory.

 

[Hunter368]

Yup, small delays and small bad decisions cost Germany the war. Its all in the small details as they say.

 

[R988]

There is also the infamous story of Russian ace Ivan Kozhedub also was forced to shoot down two US P-51 Mustangs that mistakenly attacked his La-7

 

[lesofprimus]

No one is really sure that that incident happened... The supposed pictures of those 2 kills were proven to be innaccurate right here...

 

[CurzonDax]

About the incident over the Ruskie convoy, from what I understand the USAAF P-38 pilots man handled the Red AF pilots with some ease. Training or better planes? I used to know what planes the Russians flew, I think they were Yaks.

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[FLYBOYJ]

About the incident over the Ruskie convoy, from what I understand the USAAF P-38 pilots man handled the Red AF pilots with some ease. Training or better planes? I used to know what planes the Russians flew, I think they were Yaks.

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Look on P1

 

[CurzonDax]

I is blind. Thanx.

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

About the incident over the Ruskie convoy, from what I understand the USAAF P-38 pilots man handled the Red AF pilots with some ease. Training or better planes? I used to know what planes the Russians flew, I think they were Yaks.

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Better aircraft and better training in my opinion. The Russian Airforce was strapped for experienced pilots after years of getting manhandled by Erich Hartmann!

 

[CurzonDax]

Better aircraft and better training in my opinion. The Russian Airforce was strapped for experienced pilots after years of getting manhandled by Erich Hartmann! [/quote]

Now there is a movie I'll go see!!!!

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Its not a movie, but fact. The Luftwaffe manhandled the Soviet Airforces for most of the war.

 

[CurzonDax]

A bit of advice - scenes from historical films can not be passed off as historical fact! Even if they do have Rachel Weise in then.

LOL I Like the way you put that.

You mean that Capra and Ford were stretching the truth? I am crushed!


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[CurzonDax]

Its not a movie, but fact. The Luftwaffe manhandled the Soviet Airforces for most of the war.

What I mean is that I would go see a Hartmann bio-pic. All those missions, the gulag, and so on and so forth! I would go see it. Who would play him though?

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I dont know good idea. It would have to be someone young.