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The P-43 was the only Allied fighter at the time that could climb, catch and down a KI-46.
The P-43 was the only Allied fighter at the time that could climb, catch and down a KI-46.
They shot down several Ki-46 with P-40s, though they couldn't catch them in Hurricanes, as Shores himself notes in Bloody Shambles Vol 3
And yet the Buffalo, which had worse performance at altitude than the Hurricane, managed to shoot one down. Again, it all comes down to the specifics of the engagement. I have huge respect for Chris Shores (I've actually met him and discussed WW2 aviation) but just because he says something doesn't mean it's right.
'Fraid I can't find them. I specifically searched that thread for P-43 and P-66 but only found references to CAF engagements, not the 23rd FG.
It might have been CATF but I don't see how that makes such a huge difference?
I have the 23rd FG history I'll go through it and review the Osprey book on the Ki-43 Aces as well, tomorrow.
well I mean, do you know of any interceptions of Ki-46s by Hurricanes? I'll be glad to learn of it. They got several with P-40s not only in Burma but also around New Guinea. Shores mentions a couple of these and there are some other sources, history of the 49th FG has one or two.
Top speed doesn't always seem to be the only deciding factor either, as there are several examples of Ki-43s getting into long chases and shooting down P-51As and P-38s in the Osprey book.
I think in at least one case I remember where they caught Ki-46 with P-40 the latter was lightened, I think they took out a pair of guns.
You're not alone brother, not only do I have a well known (well, here at least) love for the Buff, I do love me some P-66. Always had a like for the P-43 with that big turbo in it too.Personally, I quite like both the P-43 and P-66 but, then again, I'm an odd duck who swims against the flow.
Is it known what model of Spitfire was used in the test? It seems to have taken place around October of 1941, so I assume it was a Mk.V, but it could have been a Mk.II as wellPlenty of anecdotes on this, but I find the report from the Air Corps Material Division succinct:
P-40E vs. Hurricane:
The Hurricane can easily turn inside the P-40E and was able to continue turning after the P-40E had stalled. With the P-40E on the tail of the Hurricane it was possible for the Hurricane to tighten the circle and within 720° be in shooting position again. The P-40E squashes on turns, whereas the Hurricane does not.
This would have been the Hurricane II that was sent over to the US.
Full report over at: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-40/PHQ-M-19-1307-A.pdf
**EDIT: I think I misunderstood your response. When I said 'no hope' I meant against the Ki-43. Whereas the Hurricanes -- being markedly better in this regard overall (though not vs. Japanese types) -- hung on to this method of fighting far too long.
You're not alone brother, not only do I have a well known (well, here at least) love for the Buff, I do love me some P-66. Always had a like for the P-43 with that big turbo in it too.
You're not alone brother, not only do I have a well known (well, here at least) love for the Buff, I do love me some P-66. Always had a like for the P-43 with that big turbo in it too.
Yep...and the CW-21b. I like all those odd ducks...including the Grumman Duck.
My favourite Curtiss is the Seahawk.Yep...and the CW-21b. I like all those odd ducks...including the Grumman Duck.
They have a CW-21 and a ton of other really unusual planes in the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. I got a photo last time I was there, I'll try to find it.
It was a Mk V, and IIRC, the same aircraft was used in NACA testing.Is it known what model of Spitfire was used in the test? It seems to have taken place around October of 1941, so I assume it was a Mk.V, but it could have been a Mk.II as well
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I think theirs is a CW-22....but it's still a gorgeous aircraft (IMHO).
I am pretty sure they have both, which was interesting because you can see the progression / family resemblance, but let me search the ole photo archives and see what i can find
Is it known what model of Spitfire was used in the test? It seems to have taken place around October of 1941, so I assume it was a Mk.V, but it could have been a Mk.II as well
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