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Mhuxt, the list includes nf and recon mosquitos.
This. DonL, I understand the FW 187 is one of your favourites and I am sure it would've made a great aircraft. I can see it having an advantage in a one-on-one situation versus a Mosquito due to it being more nimble. But to reliably intercept you'd need a speed advantage of, say, 50-60 km/h at least-
Out of a sense of fairness I would say his claiming is at the very least suspicious and leave it at that. There is a risk of the thread getting even more diverted otherwise
Cheers
Steve
Heheh, fair enough. "De mortuis, nihil nisi bonum".
Let's not forget that the Me 410 was conceived as multipurpose aircraft, with one role being that of a light bomber for the air support role. The main armament used for that were SD250 or AB250. Of which the Me 410 could carry two. A completely adequate armament for this role imo.
I agree that the Mosquito is one of the best aircraft of WW2. But I do feel you are creating a hype even when you say you are not. It is only natural that less Mosquito bombers were shot down than heavy bombers.
Kris
(1)But there were never more than 200 Mosquitoes operational, so their use was limited, at least as a conventional bomber. (2) The Mosquito was fast but when carrying its 'cookie' its performance (and handling) dropped significantly.
Thus, as a bomber, it was not that invincible as often portrayed. (3) Its real strength was as as a reconaissance aircraft and night fighter.
(4) Unlike the Me 410, it was totally unsuited as a tactical bomber. (5) The Mosquito hardly carried any armour which made it very vulnerable against Flak, especially at low altitude.
There is no evidence that it caught fire any more than aluminium ones did. After all aluminium burns extremely well, particularly at the temperatures produced by a fuel fire.(6) Also, woonden structure tend to catch fire easily.
(7)The Mosquito had important structural limitations due to its wooden construction. It was unable to make high G manoeuvres without its wings falling off.
Low level rocket, bomb and gun attacks and dogfighting fighters all required high G manoeuvres, on which there were no limitations (that I am aware of) placed.
RAE figures give 7.65 positive 'G' and 4.65 negative 'G' for a Mosquito at 19,200 pounds. These are 'ultimate strength factors' and not the results of actual destruction tests. Generally, in practice aircraft can exceed these ultimate factors by a small margin before major airframe failure - but the airframe is probably going to be permanently damaged.
The margin is small enough (and keeping in mind basic +/-10% production variances) that it's definitely not something to bet your life on. That said, after tactical trials of the Mosquito, the AFDU report concluded that due to the upright seating of the pilot in the Mosquito, the weak link in pulling hard manoeuvres was the pilot, not the airframe.
I thought the Mosquito was originally designed as an unarmed PR aircraft. In 1941 the idea that they might carry bombs was added.....or am i wrong on that.
The RAF couldn't seem to make up their minds what they wanted it to do. There was a first order for 50 airframes, how the airframes were divied up between bomber, fighter and PR changed a number of times.
It started design as a bomber though.
Yes G metering tests showed typically they were in the 3-4 Gs, though the samples were very small and not across all areas of operation.
I'd imagine the FBs on strike missions at a max of 4-5Gs, because typically they were coming in at a shallow angle (25-35 degrees) for rocket attacks in the 250mph region.
This of course is preferable in heavy flak areas (and necessary for rocket attacks). Trouble with dive bombing is that it gives the gunners a near perfect no deflection target.
Interestingly the highest Gs recorded were by Spitfire IX (+10, -5.8) nothing else came close, the +10G pull out (in a diving turn) did damage the plane, though he got back ok. Overall the Spit, Typhoon and Mustang were the outstanding types in terms of G and max speed achieved (in a dive).
One Mustang pilot (in a test) deliberately tried for a max G pull out and got to between 9-10G, with no damage (though it was known that for later and heavier versions G limit did decrease, especially when heavily loaded of course).
The Mosquito was noted for its strength. This arose because of its unique laminar timber construction, not in spite of it.
6/7 April a Mosquito, probably from 305 Sqn, was claimed by Lt. Herbert Altner of 10./NJG 11
Hi Aozora,
Can you tell the source for this info?
Thanks