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ZTE are going to be hit with sanctions using American kit and any American company is not going to sell to ZTE.
So no gorilla glass no Google play no Qualcomm. Although from what I've read it still means they can sell in USA but they no longer have any suppliers.
So they have been effectively been put out of business.
 
Older iPhones can be a dodgy affair as Apple have admit they have slowed them down so don't accept software updates.
The iPhone 6 is still on sale but in 2018 the only reason to buy one s the badge as is still pricey.
My view is that Joe Q Public has no idea what a piece of technology is and buys what the adverts tells them. My laptop is now about 6 years old and still can word processing with the best of them.
 
Buy a new laptop when it breaks
That's my motto.
On windows 10 so I'm ok.
Odd when I go looking at new laptops and the guy says about a 2018 been slow. Even the cheap stuff. I says I got a 2012 laptop and it was cheap then and I can still print a word doc. Unless you're a gamer or a graphic artist then buy the cheapest laptop you can
 
Yeah, I usually install Linux and can use the laptop for years. I still have a Toshiba build in 2006, Core Duo, 2 GB RAM. (Bought it 2nd hand for 10 euros about 6 years ago). I'm running a light weight version of Linux on it and it looks as modern as Windows 10 and still runs fine. The battery is flat, but for the rest it's in top condition. My youngest son uses it for internet and I hear no complains. It isn't even slow.
 
In ye olde days I used a laptop for basics but now a smartphone can do that.
And a good games console will play games.
So I only use a laptop for photo editing and word processing.
So not much use of a £3,000 Apple Mac.
 
Huawei have gone next in line.
Problem is what going on?
This is a big issue. Really big.
My phone is a Sony so no issue but my laptop is Lenovo and are Lenovo next?

Are oneplus next? The canny smartphone buyer may take a wide berth from any Chinese manufacturer.
 
Big Chinese business firms especially in the electronic field, IMHO, fall into two broad categories:
A. The "Fly-by-Night" group that slap it together out of mismatched surplus parts so that it works 'for now'. When they fall apart there is zero accountability or customer service and when enough ill-will has built up they fold and open up a week later under a new name and begin the cycle all over again. Walmart's new electronic brand ONN is, again, IMHO part of this group. We looked at a 50" ONN TV last Black Friday, $230. Sounded like the deal of a lifetime until check out, it was so bad that Walmart offered only a 30 day warranty and refused to offer any type of extended warranty, a giant red flag. Another waving red flag is their location in Shenzhen, Guangdong. In the last two years I've opened 9 complaint cases with Ebay/Paypal for products that never arrived or products that were nothing like their Ebay ad. ALL were from companies in Shenzhen, Guangdong. My bank has also blocked 5 other transaction because of excessive fraud coming from, you guessed it, Shenzhen, Guangdong based companies.
B. A group that is as reputable as any Chinese business group (just a tad better than A) ever gets that produce a reasonably quality product that becomes a clandestine arm of the Chinese government. IMHO your Huawei group is a prime example. Their high tech telecommunication devices had back-doors that allowed high-tech Chinese government hackers to access them. The US government came down pretty hard on them in 2018 and in 2019 put them on a export blacklist for violation of Iranian sanctions. China is also notorious for sending some of their best students to the US to be trained by our best Universities who then return to China with our intellectual knowledge and skills.
 
Wow ! I don't even own a cell phone or smart phone or "soother" as I like to call them. Laptop ? Tower with Windows 7. I did break down last year and bought a flat screen monitor. My desk top was getting too crowded, an actual desk top, with wood and drawers and everything.
 
mikewint said:
Big Chinese business firms especially in the electronic field, IMHO, fall into two broad categories:
A. The "Fly-by-Night" group that slap it together out of mismatched surplus parts so that it works 'for now'. When they fall apart there is zero accountability or customer service and when enough ill-will has built up they fold and open up a week later under a new name and begin the cycle all over again. Walmart's new electronic brand ONN is, again, IMHO part of this group. We looked at a 50" ONN TV last Black Friday, $230. Sounded like the deal of a lifetime until check out, it was so bad that Walmart offered only a 30 day warranty and refused to offer any type of extended warranty, a giant red flag. Another waving red flag is their location in Shenzhen, Guangdong. In the last two years I've opened 9 complaint cases with Ebay/Paypal for products that never arrived or products that were nothing like their Ebay ad. ALL were from companies in Shenzhen, Guangdong. My bank has also blocked 5 other transaction because of excessive fraud coming from, you guessed it, Shenzhen, Guangdong based companies.
B. A group that is as reputable as any Chinese business group (just a tad better than A) ever gets that produce a reasonably quality product that becomes a clandestine arm of the Chinese government. IMHO your Huawei group is a prime example. Their high tech telecommunication devices had back-doors that allowed high-tech Chinese government hackers to access them. The US government came down pretty hard on them in 2018 and in 2019 put them on a export blacklist for violation of Iranian sanctions. China is also notorious for sending some of their best students to the US to be trained by our best Universities who then return to China with our intellectual knowledge and skills.
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Done much business with the Chinese Mike?

They are definitely a culture of 'you get what you pay for' and I've had this confirmed from a number of business associates who regularly do. If you beat them down on price (as most American businesses do) then they simply maintain their margin by dropping the quality. That's good business practice. I spoke to one guy who offered $5 more per unit than what they wanted, and everything that they offered was "better quality" parts.

If the Walmart TV's were crap, its as likely that the Walmart buyer negotiated a price that seemed too good to be true....
 
I'm only part Luddite. I've had a cell phone for 15 years or so. Initially because I was driving 35 miles (56km) to work every day with 90% through the country where houses were several miles apart. Especially in the wintertime with snow/ice covering the roads (Ill-Noise don't waste NO money on snow plows) it would be possibly a long cold snow packed walk to get any kind of help with a strong potential of not being found til spring. With the cell phone in an emergency I could at least call for help and remain in the car. The small flip phone I have today is not much different than that first phone - IT MAKES PHONE CALLS.
And yea they force me to text from time to time but that is it.
These portable entertainment devices loaded with 8,432 Apps that cost as much as a used car that the vast majority of the populace can't seem to get their noses out of or live without...I simply can't begin to understand the why of it. We go to a restaurant and 95% of the men, women, children present NEVER look up from their 'smart?' phones. Again I will admit that SOME features are nice and useful. Being lost and being able to GPS your way to civilization or arriving in BOOFOO, and locating a gas station or restaurant are really nice features
I do have a laptop as my 12yr old tower has pooped out a few times and when we travel a tower is tough to tuck under your arm...Oh yea i'm still running Vista on the tower and the damn laptop CAME with POS Windows 10
 
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Huawei are top of the line so certainly no fly be night.
In China everything is one party state so I would wager any Chinese company plays the game.

My issues are 3fold.

Why Huawei in particular and who is next?

If the Chinese are spying and *shock horror* if they are then shouldn't the USA put that into the public domain to say they have proof? One could say no as its giving security knowledge away but then again so is saying Huawei is spying in the first place. Coz from some angles it could look like a commercial decision to shut down Huawei as a full USA ban would be devastating.

Even non Chinese electronics such as Apple is manufactured in China so they could be as vulnerable as anything else.
 
gumbyk said:
Done much business with the Chinese Mike?
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No but then again as things stand we're all being forced to do so whether we want to or not through our own shortsightedness and, yea, greed for the quick buck. Perhaps I'm being xenophobic but seems pretty obvious to me that the state-owned and massively subsidized companies of China are just plain dangerous because China uses its state-owned enterprises as a strategic tool of the state. By pretending they are private companies abiding by free-market rules. Consider the following:
In January 2014, Motorola Mobility was sold by Google to Chinese computer corporation, Lenovo, which means that the nation that invented smart phones is just about entirely out of the business of producing smart phones in America. Lenovo is also the same company that bought IBM's line of personal computers in 2004.

The world's largest pork producer, American company Smithfield Foods, was acquired by a Chinese corporation in 2013. Smithfield was sold to Shuanghui International Holdings Limited, the biggest meat processor in China.

The Hoover brand was sold to Hong Kong, China-based firm Techtronic Industries in 2006 after Maytag, which owned Hoover, was acquired by Whirlpool.

Additionally China is positioning itself to be our energy supplier as well. Since 2009, Chinese companies have invested billions of dollars acquiring significant percentages of shares of energy companies, such as The AES Corp., Chesapeake Energy, and Oil & Gas Assets. In 2010, China Communications Construction Co. bought 100% of Friede Goldman United, and in 2012, A-Tech Wind Power (Jiangxi) bought 100% of Cirrus Wind Energy.

In a Fortune article titled "The Biggest American Companies Now Owned by the Chinese," Stephen Gandel provides the following list of American companies acquired by Chinese investors in 2016:

Starwood Hotels acquired by Anbang Insurance, a Chinese insurance company that is rapidly buying up U.S. hotels...It is the latest hotel acquisition by the Chinese insurer, which last year bought the company that owns New York's Waldorf-Astoria. Starwood would add 1,300 hotels around the world to Anbang's portfolio.

Ingram Micro, which is No. 62 on the Fortune 500, bought by Tianjin Tianhai Investment Development Co., a Chinese firm that specializes in aviation and logistics.

General Electric Appliance Business was bought by Qingdao Haier Co.

Terex Corp., an 83-year-old Connecticut-based company that makes machinery for construction, agricultural, and industrial purposes, was bought by Zoomlion Heavy Industry Science.

Legendary Entertainment Group, which has co-financed a number of major movies like Jurassic Park, Godzilla, and Pacific Rim, was bought by Dalian Wanda
Dalian Wanda also bought AMC Entertainment Holdings, the U.S.'s second largest movie chain at the time of purchase, but is now #1.
 
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