That's the result of protectionism from a 'capitalist' 'free' market. The US has, for decades promoted the idea that capitalism is the way forward, and now that it's come back to bite them...
What mobile you got?
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Motorola did have a assembly plant in Texas. Which was closed as soon as Lenovo got hold.
At least assembly jobs are still jobs. If the Chinese ever pull the plug then who gonna build my TV then? I wonder what will happen to Apple profits then?
At least assembly jobs are still jobs. If the Chinese ever pull the plug then who gonna build my TV then? I wonder what will happen to Apple profits then?
The Chinese won't pull the plug; they'll OWN the plug. And we still think of ourselves as an economic power, and we are, but only as a captive audience with little if any economic autonomy.
Our capitalist impulses drive us to seek the lowest common denomin..oops, I mean dollar, and we're sucking Chinese tit, thinking we're getting the milk of human kindness, but 'taint so, Bro. They're investing in our corporations, our infrastructure, and our financial system with the goal of owning us lock, stock, and barrel, and it isn't going to take the "seven generations" that their tradition says a major project should take.
Our capitalism drives us to the short view; their tradition teaches patience and the long view.
They won't pull the plug, not with us as captive consumers to fuel their economic growth and there remains plunderable capital in our economy. Once they've sucked us dry, they'll let us sample the treatment they got from the West for the last seven generations.
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There are bones of contention between China and USA such as North Korea or Spratley Islands or the sale of tech to less desirable states. And of course internal pressure in China against what is after all a dictatorship.
But you're right that the price of capitalism is the race to the bottom. Is it acceptable to be against the Apple factory and the way they make phones and yet still buy a phone made in China?
Child labour and slavery was stopped in the UK by moral busybodies and not by the market or capitalism. I doubt that morality is part of the Chinese business model.
But you're right that the price of capitalism is the race to the bottom. Is it acceptable to be against the Apple factory and the way they make phones and yet still buy a phone made in China?
Child labour and slavery was stopped in the UK by moral busybodies and not by the market or capitalism. I doubt that morality is part of the Chinese business model.
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This is a case in point. This is tartan ribbon with the word Scotland and pride and ID in different colours and mad in China!!!! Take pride in your Chinese tartan?!
Apologies for the pix the camera on the Moto G5 is not the best. Buying cheap can sometimes backfire!
Apologies for the pix the camera on the Moto G5 is not the best. Buying cheap can sometimes backfire!
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The Chinese people have a long history of tolerating autocratic governance when it kept them fed and protected and was perceived to advance the status of their people and their culture in the world. Western style democracy is a "barbarian" concept alien to Chinese culture. They're the ultimate "ubermenschen" who define their rightful empire as "anywhere people of Chinese ancestry live". Sudetenland anyone? The Ruhr valley? Anschluss? Poland? Does this ring a bell? It's 1938 again and we're enjoying "peace in our time".
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At this point you either buy a Chinese phone or relegate yourself to Luddite status and jump off the technology bandwagon. My $28 ZTE outperforms my old $150 Samsung. I used to buy Nokia phones back when they were still made in Finnland. Same for tires. Now the Chinese make Hakkapalitas for Nokia and keep some for themselves to sell as Hankooks and undercut Nokia in the market.
Do you really think morality is part of ANYBODY'S business model?? An unaffordable luxury in today's world. Show me a moral business executive and I'll show you next year's bankruptcy or take over victim.
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But the reason that Apple isn't returning to the US isn't money. Its skills. The US don't have the toolmakers and skilled labour in sufficient numbers to make it work. The article I posted above has some quotes from Elon Musk about it.
An indictment and charge to which I, as a former member of the educational system, willingly plead: "Guilty, Your Honor". We have been so unwilling to compromise any part of our ideal of "a classical liberal education" that we have failed to pursue anything less than a bachelor's degree for everyone. The argument has always been that level of education is necessary to ensure informed, engaged voters, so vocational education has been allowed to drift out of touch with reality. It's been allowed to teach the skills of the past to the (unemployable) workers of the future, while the rest of us in our college-bound ivory tower paid no attention. (Except to shrug and say "Boy am I glad I don't have to deal with that bunch of losers!")
Mainstream educated culture has diverged so far from rural poverty culture now that elementary school teachers have a hard time getting on the kids wavelength, especially in math and science. So by the time kids reach a level where they understand the relevance of it, they're so far behind that they're frozen out and give up on the whole thing. From then on the teachers might as well be speaking Greek.
So we crank out car mechanics that can't calculate fractions and decimals and hairdressers who can't figure out how many clients a bottle of shampoo is good for. Heaven help us if we try to teach them microprocessor chip masking.
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Ok everyone I'm letting the discussion continue, but do not let this dabble too far into politics. We've been over this...
Mea culpa! Once again I've let (or led) the conversation drift off topic into social and economic ills, which are by definition political in this highly polarized world. Why are we discussing cellphones on a WWII aircraft site, anyway?
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Wes
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Wes
It's ok, the conversation may continue as is, just don't let it go to far.
I'm trying to give a lil here...
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Well...........................................................after over 20 years with a $14.00 flip flip phone, I got a IPhone 6. I am LOST I TELL YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOST!
Well as far as phones go, I was just given a Samsung Note 8. It's a big leap from the Note 3 I had so I'm having a bit of an issue with some features. Don't even get me started about the transfer of information between the two, still has not been perfected. What a pain in the keaster!
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Google is your best friend here. Anytime I get lost on a phone someone somewhere has the answer and we move forward.
There are still basic phones out there so if your current phones are difficult then get rid and try one of the more cheaper basic ones.
There are still basic phones out there so if your current phones are difficult then get rid and try one of the more cheaper basic ones.
I have an i phone 5, work hand me down phone...hey it ain't costing me nothing....
Wish it could produce a decent cup of coffee....
Wish it could produce a decent cup of coffee....
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My contact has been up since November and now Apple is starting to slow my phone down trying to force me to upgrade. I still like my 6 and right now I don't want an upgrade
You're behind on your Technology Tax payments and the Collector of Delinquent Taxes is on to you! Better pay up, man.
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If you noticed the Samsung S9 came out to pretty much total indifference.
Says a lot.
Says a lot.
