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schwarzpanzer said:I'll add another, what about the He112 instead of the Me109 for the BoB?
Even if Hitler had not declared war on the US, after Pearl Harbor the US would have declared war on Germany.
Erich said:simple fact, Germany in her stupidity let a small UGLY Austrian come into power with other UGLY renagade numb-nutz to bolster his insane ideas..........end of a terrible story
Erich said:simple fact, Germany in her stupidity let a small UGLY Austrian come into power with other UGLY renagade numb-nutz to bolster his insane ideas..........end of a terrible story
Soren said:Hitler made no mistake in attacking Russia in 41, infact it was perfect timing, he caught the Russian army completely offguard.
Soren said:Why ? The Japanese dropped those bombs at Pearl Harbor, not the Germans.
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:Negative the timing was wrong. Read your history books and read what the German Field Marschals and Generals said. Hitler postponed the invasion because of the attacks on Yugoslavia and Greece. Those 6 weeks I believe it was that he postponed it meant 6 weeks earlier of the Harsh Winter that eventually was the destruction of Hitlers Army's just like Napoleon before him. Hitler obviously did not read his history books either.
Roosevelt was silent supporter of Englands war against Germany. He even stated in memoirs that he wanted to help out his European friend.
Once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt would have pushed for a declaration of war against Germany aswell.
Soren said:No Adler the timing was good enough, had he tried to attack 2 months earlier his army wouldn't have been as ready as it was. It was litterally having mountains of winter-clothes hanging on standby in Germany while the winter raged in Russia which was bad timing, not the start of the war. Cause the German army was actually fully prepared for the winter, however 'again' Hitler made a crucial mistake of not sending them their winter-clothes. (Thats something you can read in the History books Adler )
Soren said:Btw I wouldn't exactly call the winter war a "failure" for Hitler either, just look up the casualty list Adler, the Russians lost way more men in that period. (Like always)
Soren said:Negative Adler, that would've been very stupid of Roosevelt, cause he did not yet know how powerful Japan was, which up till then had shown to be of considerable power, severely bashing the U.S. pacific fleet. And seeing that Russia was on the brink of defeat, waging war against Germany and Japan simultaneously would've looked very stupid indeed.
I dont have to read it in a History Books Soren, I have read my Grandfathers diaries. He fought on the East Front and was captured at Stalingrad. I have read about him opening up packages of Summer Uniforms in the dead of winter rather than recieving Winter Uniforms that is unprepared, and that was a grave Mistake.
Yes it was the right year and yes the Russians were not ready, but had they attacked on time rather than the delay for the Balkans, the Eastern Front may have been over by the time Winter hit.
Whats your point, Vietnam was a military victory for the United States. Over 2 million N. Vietmanese and VC were killed to aprox. 60,000 US soldiers. Was Vietnam a victory? NO. Killing people does not determine how successful a campaign is.
No if that were the case, Roosevelt would not have decided to make Germany the priority over Japan anyhow when the US entered. Now would he have ?
Soren said:Indeed it was, but it can't be blamed on the start of Operation Barbarossa. The Winter-clothes should've been there, but by some mistake it wasn't, eventhough it was made and ready.
Soren said:It may or it may not, that is something we can ponder about for ages, but had the winter-clothes just arrived on schedule the German advance would have been effected very little by the winter, and the outcome could've been very different.
Soren said:I did not mention anything about how "successful" the winter war was for Hitler, cause it was anything BUT that, but it wasn't the ultimate death-blow to the German army either. By 1942 the German army still had the capability to actually win the war in the east.
Btw I wouldn't exactly call the winter war a "failure" for Hitler either, just look up the casualty list Adler, the Russians lost way more men in that period.