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You done it again stupid, you talk about English colonialism, when it was British, you denigrate other participants in the war by omission and your obvious obsession with English public schools and class, I am an ex steel worker you Berk. Take a look at the USA front line aircraft strength on Sept 3 1939 before you make comments about others preparations and class systems and then explain Pearl Harbour bearing in mind the war had been going on for 2 years.You are sensitive and raw to the point of hysteria - like a Public School boy after his first proper hazing, but for reasons that are unfathomable... don't read or comment on my posts if they trigger you so bad you moppet.
I never denigrated the ANZACs or South Africans or South Asians or anyone else in the Commonwealth, quite to the contrary as I am certain you are well aware. Nor will I be baited into contrasting English Colonialism in places like India or "Rhodesia" with American racism etc., I equally condemn it all. With regard to class issues in the context of this discussion I was referring directly to conflicts between higher leadership and pilots / squadron commanders both in North Africa and the Pacific, leading to events like the famous Morotai Mutiny which was instigated by decorated veterans of the North African campaign.
You can refer to US forces by any name you like I couldn't possibly care less what you write about anything. Your posts have a low signal to noise ratio, you have demonstrated your lack of knowledge and a sort of desperate, bitter frustrated angst which while often amusing for it's sheer pointlessly outraged pathos, clearly has sources beyond any discussions here and does not add anything of any use to the subject at hand.
You have a fine and happy Christmas yourself sir and I wish you luck with your personal issues.
You done it again stupid, you talk about English colonialism, when it was British, you denigrate other participants in the war by omission and your obvious obsession with English public schools and class, I am an ex steel worker you Berk. Take a look at the USA front line aircraft strength on Sept 3 1939 before you make comments about others preparations and class systems and then explain Pearl Harbour bearing in mind the war had been going on for 2 years.
As far as air warfare is concerned, which is the subject of this forum, the RAF with Dowdings system of Command and Control has set the post war standard for air warfare, by 1940 there were airborne Radar equipped fighters and by 1944 the forerunner of AWACs. It was the Germans who were fighting the last war and the British fighting the next one in 1940. Both Dowding and Churchill could see the conflict generalled by Park better than any head of politics and head of a military force had ever seen a battle before, Goering and Hitler got "reports" a few days or weeks later. Your discussion of the adoption of the "finger four" by the RAF is as if they were simpletons, well the RAF and the LW had stopped mass unescorted high altitude deep penetration daylight raids in 1940, but the Confederate forces of Texas decided it was a great idea in 1943. Were they Victorian inbred class ridden schoolboys too? After all President Roosevelt was a very rich guy from a very rich family and he married a woman from the same very rich family and was also called Roosevelt, consider that and the Kennedys and the Bushes before you blather about other nations. In short, stick to aviation.Look bruh, I was pointing out the flaws in every major country in WW2, not just the UK. Did you miss that part?
The only reason France, UK, US, Soviets etc. were not as prepared for war in say, 1938 is because nobody thought anyone was crazy enough to start another World War. In other words, the German leadership was literally crazy in my opinion to start the war, as you can see by how their country was doing in 1945.
I respect somebody who was a steelworker, so cheers, just try not to be so emotional about (incorrectly) perceived national bias or the slightest whiff of teasing. I thought you Britishers were better about taking a little ribbing. I'm just "taking the piss" a little bit because you are so consistently hostile.
For the record I don't hold any grudge whatsoever against any of the pilots in WW2 and to the contrary, respect the hell out of them. I've been lucky enough to meet a few over the course of my life. In particular I respect the DAF pilots because I read a lot about them. I'm even enough of an old nerd to have built a few plastic models and I have Spitfire MK V, Spit Mk IX, Hurricane IIC, P-40 (of course) SM 79, MC 200 and 202, Re 2002 and a Bf 109F-4 (trop) in view as I type this. Mostly Airfix kits!
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The P-46 and P-60 programs were an indication problems with Curtiss at the time. They were unable to improve their P-40 design - not because of its excellence, but because of their own issues.
. If P-38s were performing as well in Europe as they did in the Pacific in 1942 they might have cut P-40 production out by 1943.
As far as air warfare is concerned, which is the subject of this forum, the RAF with Dowdings system of Command and Control has set the post war standard for air warfare, by 1940 there were airborne Radar equipped fighters and by 1944 the forerunner of AWACs. It was the Germans who were fighting the last war and the British fighting the next one in 1940. Both Dowding and Churchill could see the conflict generalled by Park better than any head of politics and head of a military force had ever seen a battle before, Goering and Hitler got "reports" a few days or weeks later. Your discussion of the adoption of the "finger four" by the RAF is as if they were simpletons, well the RAF and the LW had stopped mass unescorted high altitude deep penetration daylight raids in 1940, but the Confederate forces of Texas decided it was a great idea in 1943. Were they Victorian inbred class ridden schoolboys too? After all President Roosevelt was a very rich guy from a very rich family and he married a woman from the same very rich family and was also called Roosevelt, consider that and the Kennedys and the Bushes before you blather about other nations. In short, stick to aviation.
Couple of points gentlemen
With the IV-1430 a non starter the Curtiss team began the mad scramble for alternative engines.
The P-38 never really operated in Europe in 1942. The two (?) fighter groups that had them were reassigned to the North African invasion before they went operational and a 3rd group forming up was used for replacements. Aside from a handful of photo recon planes P-38s would NOT operate in NW Europe until Oct of 1943.
You started them, you don't include the British class system in the discussions of RR Merlin superchargers, even though they were obviously products of it. Your posts are dripping with flag waving fanboyism to the point that you would compare a P-40 to a Typhoon.For the rest of the nationalistic comparisons, feel free to debate that with someone who cares - preferably in another thread.
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re: Typhoon use - recreated a grainy B&W chart I had that seemed to be scanned from a Polish Typhoon book. It's not finished but I figured I'd post the WIP.
Typhoon Mk.Ia - Typhoon Mk.Ib
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Sure whatever - I'm sure the War Dept had it's share of blame. Certainly in the other Curtiss scandals there were officers taking bribes.
Europe as in North Africa and the middle of the Med in 1942, Italy and Yugoslavia in 1943, forgive me the shorthand - but actually P-38s ended up flying out of Italy all over Europe in later years.
The point of the comment was "P-38 against the Germans" vs. against the Japanese. It's the same German fighters whether over Brest, Tunis or Palermo.
I have no clue...it appears that the term was used as a reference to class, perhaps?If all could forgive my ignorance. I'm trying to follow along here and what are " confederate forces" in the context on ww2?
I'm guessing another slang term for US forces like" Yankee"? Just never heard it before.
Gotcha.Its a real weak Troll, he's trying to insult Americans in general by calling them that.