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He isn't here to defend himself or that argument. However the discussion is of a long range strategic bomber, you don't need a particularly long range to reach most of England from Germany and a He 111 could reach the Whole of UK and did, in 1940, from occupied land.The opportunity for a 4 engine aircraft such as a Do 19 with 4 x 1000hp radials able to support the German navy from 1939 was thus lost. There were no plans for war with Britain so no real plans were made or unrealistic assumptions of bomber range used. Hitler in fact forbade preparing for war with Britain in any way for this.
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There are smaller highly capable cameras half this size capable of sufficient performance for gathering intelligence, fuel tankage can be compromised and moved to the wings, or the nose lengthened. How did Britain fit cameras in PRU Spitfires? One thing is for sure a Fw 187 had more room than a Me 109.
There are smaller highly capable cameras half this size capable of sufficient performance for gathering intelligence, fuel tankage can be compromised and moved to the wings, or the nose lengthened. How did Britain fit cameras in PRU Spitfires? One thing is for sure a Fw 187 had more room than a Me 109.
Need LR recon? Ditch the guns, and second crew member if needed, install the camera(s) - take a page from Spitfire PR.
Radar was not in the nose of German aircraft, aerials were outside the nose. Much easier to turn a bigger Fw 187 into a night fighter than the smaller Fw 190, yet 190 was turned into a radar-outfitted NF sometimes.
He isn't here to defend himself or that argument. However the discussion is of a long range strategic bomber, you don't need a particularly long range to reach most of England from Germany and a He 111 could reach the Whole of UK and did, in 1940, from occupied land.
The Luftwaffe was almost incapable of attacking Britain's Eastern Seaboard and naval approaches, especially to the North. The Ju 88 was just too short ranged. The He 111 and Ju 88 might have theoretical ranges of 1600 but in reality it was less than 1200 when a bomb load was carried which leads to a radius of action of little over 400.
I'm not sure why is such a beef against the Fw 187.
Need a high-performing fighter? DB 601 installation was done, unike the Merlin on Whirly Fw 187 being a bigger A/C was easier to do the engine upgrade. Toss the Bf 110 in the bin, and Me 210/410 just after the Bf 110. No Ta-154 hussle.
Need LR recon? Ditch the guns, and second crew member if needed, install the camera(s) - take a page from Spitfire PR.
Radar was not in the nose of German aircraft, aerials were outside the nose. Much easier to turn a bigger Fw 187 into a night fighter than the smaller Fw 190, yet 190 was turned into a radar-outfitted NF sometimes. More guns on a NF? Stick two cannons under the fuselage. Need more firepower on a day fighter? Just one crew member, but 4 cannons in the fuselage sides.
Im pretty sure you're misreading that chart. It gives a usefull payload specification "Nutzlast" but the fuel consumption figures are for a bomber equipped with bomb racks "abwurfgeraete" but without actually carrying the bombs SD1000 or LMB mines)..
Finally it academic, the Luftwaffe lacked the range to attack the shipping approaches to the east of England which drove Goering furios.
Finally it academic, the Luftwaffe lacked the range to attack the shipping approaches to the east of England which drove Goering furios.
Only Aviation from 1933, he only became head of everything from 1936.Wasn't Goering in charge of the Luftwaffe, including its procurement? Or, in the style of bad administrators in general, did he blame others for his errors?
So any hardware shortcomings after about 1940 were his fault.Only Aviation from 1933, he only became head of everything from 1936.
You are that misreading the chart
So any hardware shortcomings after about 1940 were his fault.
In my opinion everything from 1933 was his fault, he was head of aviation, he has to say what he intends to do and whats he wants to do it, he was Hitlers second in command, if he doesn't know then who does? His position after 1936 had him in charge of rearmament and the LW. With tens of millions dead and Europe wrecked Hitler was convinced that he had been let down, not the other way around. Goering was exactly the same, not only furious with his organisation that he built and ran but also with his enemies for not following the "plan". When he was made Reichsmarschall in 1940 the UK alone was out producing him in everything that mattered, he was too dim to realise it and did nothing until 1942/43 by which time it was too late.So any hardware shortcomings after about 1940 were his fault.
Goering was in charge of the LW he told Hitler or was responsible for Hitler being told. Hitler took forces from the sixth army before Stalingrad and was late providing reinforcements. Hitler as usual forbade retreat or surrender to people in a hopeless position I have no idea what the air lift was supposed to achieve, Germany had no chance of closing the gap and relieving Stalingrad and the occupants had no chance of breaking out. Obviously not Adolf or Herman's fault though, they were "let down".Three men were put in charge: Udet Germany's highest ranking ace and Jenkoschenk. Both men suicided. Milch was eventually kicked out of the job because he had an argument apparently over the Me 262 bomber. Jenkoschenk made a miscalculation by stating the supply of the 6th Army in Stalingrad by airlift was possible. When Jenkoschenk realised his error and wanted to tell Hitler Goering wouldn't let him tell Hitler because it would embarrass Goering.
Hitler had made a public speech saying there would be no retreat and when the gravity of the Stalingrad situation was realised he was relieved that the airlift gave him a way out. Had Hitler been told the truth he likely would have ordered a breakout which might have saved half the 6th Army.
A guy called Siegfried Kneymeyer took over I think. He was regarded as highly competent and was certainly a man of action.
Udet was a well liked man but in over his head in politics and technology.
Whats the benefit of Bf110 big cameras, since it did not have the speed to penetrate the enemy airspace even in 1940? There was no comparison Fw187 recce vs Bf110 recce. It was small photos and optical observation against no photos at allThe British cameras used it the Spitfire and the Cameras used in the 109 used film that was about 1/4 the size of that big camera per photo. This meant you need about 4 photos to get the same detail per photograph (negative) assuming the same grain size/structure of the emulsion. Taking more photographs closer in succession helps but you either need to fly twice on parallel courses or fly lower (with a lot more photos taken) or some other work around.
British cameras.
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Three on the left use 5 in X 5 in negative size and the two on the right use 8.5 in x 7in negatives. The cameras could be fitted with different length lenses.
Changing the film magazine on a camera in a 109.
Some 109s used two smaller cameras.
The Fw 187 may or may not do what you want it to do. It probably isn't going to cover the range of camera setups the 110 could hold.
Whats the benefit of Bf110 big cameras, since it did not have the speed to penetrate the enemy airspace even in 1940? There was no comparison Fw187 recce vs Bf110 recce. It was small photos and optical observation against no photos at all
Obviously i agree with youWe've seen that the Fw 187 could have a second cockpit added by simply lengthening of the cockpit area. That's plenty of space for the biggest of cameras.