Does steam iron count ?Everybody should have a steam traction engine. Because it is steam
Why did the British airforce adopted highly similar Hurricane and Spitfire at the same time?
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Shortround6
Major General
Curtiss Hawk 75 first flew in May 1935. Entered service in 1938, barely and with many troubles. Took until part way through 1939 to equip a 2nd fighter group.
Shortround6
Major General
Great. Use it to make money. Open a beauty salon.
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
Don't knock it. I've used our 7 ton forklift to flatten 1/8" soft steel plate.
Wild_Bill_Kelso
Senior Master Sergeant
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There is an MS 406 Warbird, (or maybe it's a 410?)
Anyway, it flies. May not have been the best in 1940 but it was pretty cool when it came out.
Anyway, it flies. May not have been the best in 1940 but it was pretty cool when it came out.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
That's the Swiss built MS.412, designated as a D-3801.
You failed to mention it was the bosses car (don't worry, if you don't tell him, I won't).
My great uncle had this one 1915 Robey named "village queen", he gave Vera Lynn a ride around the showground on it once. It still appears now and again at shows.Everybody should have a steam traction engine. Because it is steam
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Cool.
Wild_Bill_Kelso
Senior Master Sergeant
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So you are saying this is the ground based equivalent of the MS. 406? I can kinda see it...
Tom Graham
Airman
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This might explain it. The BIG picture and it's consequences.
Have you seen either of them from your kitchen window? There, quite logical really!
Wild_Bill_Kelso
Senior Master Sergeant
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It really is incredible that the Germans didn't move to a war economy until 3 years into it...
Did they have had the means to do it?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
They sure had more means at the start than they did by 1943.
Hitler assumed the war would be a quick one and intended to keep the public isolated from the war at the start, in order to create the illusion that the Reich was unshakable.
This was one of the reasons that there was such low production numbers until the situation became dire in 43/44.
In order to replicate 1943, Hilter will need to introduce PoW and slave labor - Germany has no enough of population to fill the ranks in the military, to work in factories, mines and fields - all in the same time. German agriculture depends on horses, making it far less efficient than American or Canadian. There is no money and transportation to import labor-intensive materials from half a world away.
German production of aircraft in the winter of 1940/41 received a slump due to not having raw materials needed.
It will take time and effort to came out with ersatz rubber, to the synthetic fuel factories to max out their output, and to circumvent the hard-to-get metals with something else.
They have no return on instituting 2nd, let alone 3rd shift in the factories with workers sitting around, having no raw or half-processed materials to work with. Fields cannot be handwaved to grow crops.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
They had the ability in 1938, 1939 and 1940 - especially before the war started in earnest.
Once Germany turned on the Soviet Union, the manpower and material situation would go downhill quickly.
By the first of September, 1939, the Luftwaffe had 3,960 aircraft of all types in service. Out of that number, 1,085 were fighters (Bf109D/E).
This is not how you want to start a war.
Once Germany turned on the Soviet Union, the manpower and material situation would go downhill quickly.
By the first of September, 1939, the Luftwaffe had 3,960 aircraft of all types in service. Out of that number, 1,085 were fighters (Bf109D/E).
This is not how you want to start a war.
Wild_Bill_Kelso
Senior Master Sergeant
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Well they had France in 1940, and I'm not sure when the slave labor thing started but they certainly did force quite a few Frenchmen to work in German factories and on German farms. I have some relatives who spent a couple of years hiding out from that. Part of going to the war economy, one presumes, would perhaps include also producing necessary equipment for food production ... like tractors. And military versions of these same tractors can pull artillery guns. Maybe they can make some more trucks and halftracks too.
Shortround6
Major General
Trucks yes, German halftracks no.
Unless you build the Maultier type
The standard German military halftracks were way too expensive.
However the Maultier types were slow and under powered but so were many German trucks.
One reason the US halftracks were so successful is they put in a big enough engine to allow speeds of 40-45mph on roads. They also used a powered front axle.
