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So this may have been said. The Nazis wanted a war. The Empire, until Chamberlain was replaced, wanted peace. Typical of British industry, things were mainly cottage industries. The collusion of government and industry is a hallmark of National Socialism. The British did not focus on war material in a coordinated way until after September 1939.
This, associated with the, logical development in phases of the military specification (RAF) could suffice to be the answer.
Type | S.E.F | S.E.F | Bomber | Bomber |
Month | Strength | Serviceable | Strength | Serviceable |
4/05/1940 | 1369 | 970 | 1758 | 1180 |
11/05/1940 | 1356 | 1076 | 1711 | 1084 |
18/05/1940 | 1313 | 788 | 1641 | 985 |
25/05/1940 | 1366 | 820 | 1631 | 897 |
1/06/1940 | 1477 | 886 | 1636 | 900 |
8/06/1940 | 1436 | 862 | 1621 | 892 |
15/06/1940 | 1061 | 815 | 1371 | 856 |
29/06/1940 | 1107 | 856 | 1380 | 841 |
6/07/1940 | 1071 | 880 | 1437 | 993 |
13/07/1940 | 1077 | 899 | 1347 | 943 |
20/07/1940 | 1060 | 865 | 1401 | 903 |
27/07/1940 | 1058 | 860 | 1418 | 945 |
3/08/1940 | 1065 | 878 | 1458 | 949 |
10/08/1940 | 1085 | 933 | 1542 | 1015 |
17/08/1940 | 1076 | 853 | 1472 | 1038 |
24/08/1940 | 1024 | 839 | 1478 | 1038 |
31/08/1940 | 921 | 692 | 1461 | 688 |
7/09/1940 | 958 | 762 | 1436 | 876 |
14/09/1940 | 934 | 755 | 1402 | 915 |
21/09/1940 | 936 | 727 | 1427 | 846 |
28/09/1940 | 932 | 721 | 1420 | 818 |
5/10/1940 | 899 | 667 | 1427 | 836 |
12/10/1940 | 942 | 678 | 1447 | 889 |
19/10/1940 | 928 | 699 | 1463 | 879 |
26/10/1940 | 917 | 710 | 1434 | 833 |
2/11/1940 | 921 | 673 | 1423 | 766 |
This was rather their job. Telling in the Lysander losses in the Battle of France is the paucity of survivor tales compared even to the Battles. With up to 580lb of bombs and two fixed machine guns they were capable of doing quite some damage. At ground level they had much the same performance as a Blackburn Roc fighter and the same load as a SkuA. Surviving the process was another question. Hence they were replaced with Hurricanes and Tomahawks not a better Lysander.Interestingly Lysanders were also used as bombers and CAS strike aircraft in the very early days in North Africa too.
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"Typical of British Industry, things were mainly cottage industries." Could you please define what you mean by this statement as "cottage industry" does not appear to define the main British industries (when compared with other countries) before, let alone during WW2?
Mike
History was very unkind to Chamberlain, everything Churchill had to fight with when he started was ordered on Chamberlain's watch as Chancellor (finance minister) 1932-37 or Prime Minister !937-40. The UK had a far bigger navy, the German navy had a few impressive battleships that spent most of the war in port or being chased and sunk. The UK outproduced Germany in aircraft from mid 1940 to the end of the war and there was little difference in the number of tanks produced, though quality of design is an issue. Germany didnt actually want a war, it wanted to make massive gains against unprepared opponents, as they did in Poland, Norway, Denmark Belgium France the Balkans and Russia upto end of 1941. They didnt want a war that included things like Stalingrad and thousand bomber raids on their cities both of which came in 1942, this prompted them to fully mobilize for war in 1943, by which time it was too late, by the end of 1943 the only question was how long they could hold out and where the border would be. Chamberlain would have been replaced anyway, he was a sick man who died of cancer on 9th November 1940 that is just 9 days after the Battle of Britain officially ended.TLDR
So this may have been said. The Nazis wanted a war. The Empire, until Chamberlain was replaced, wanted peace. Typical of British industry, things were mainly cottage industries. The collusion of government and industry is a hallmark of National Socialism. The British did not focus on war material in a coordinated way until after September 1939.
This, associated with the, logical development in phases of the military specification (RAF) could suffice to be the answer.
Appearances are deceptive. This is a typical British cottage, honestly there are several million dotted here and there.Alas many still think that Rolls Royce Merlins were hand-crafted until Packard in the US "showed the Brits how to mass-produce them"...and this despite the fact that Rolls Royce in the UK produced over 100,000 engines, far more than any other combination of production lines. Yep...cottage industry for sure!
WOW!Appearances are deceptive. This is a typical British cottage, honestly there are several million dotted here and there.
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This is what they are like inside, quite remarkable really.
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How many of those cottages did it take to build HMS Nelson and HMS Rodney?
WOW!
Is that where they knitted Merlin's?
You are trying to trick us aren't you? Everybody knows they thach weaved them.WOW!
Is that where they knitted Merlin's?
That was sort of true in 1937 but the UK was still in process of preparing for war and it was Germanys war. When the conflict started things were different. Germany never produced a satisfactory 4 engined bomber, the UK produced 3 and although the Stirling wasnt very good they still found work for it laying mines and towing gliders. UK 4 engined bombers equalled German production of Ju 88s which was its only satisfactory bomber and its only real multi role A/C. They never produced an aircraft carrier, the UK did and also produced just under 10,000 naval aircraft of all types. When the conflict started Germany was outproduced completely by the UK and Commonwealth alone, the USA produced more than the UK and Germany combined. When you throw in Russian production which was also considerable the question to be asked was "Adolf, what were you playing at"? German industry was not at all geared up for the war he embarked upon.Roy Fedden asked the same question after he visited Germany in June and September 1937 to view the aviation industry. In his report to the Air Staff when he returned, he stated:
"It is felt that there is tendency to consider too many types of aircraft in this country for the Royal Air Force, instead of cutting down the number and paying more attention to simplification of design and increased production facilities, rather than striving for the last mile an hour."
"Fedden" Bill Gunston 1998
That image, plus the one of Whitby Abbey tells me what part of the world you're from! My in-laws all hail from near Pickering - lovely country.Appearances are deceptive. This is a typical British cottage, honestly there are several million dotted here and there.
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This is what they are like inside, quite remarkable really.
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That was sort of true in 1937 but the UK was still in process of preparing for war and it was Germanys war. When the conflict started things were different. Germany never produced a satisfactory 4 engined bomber, the UK produced 3 and although the Stirling wasnt very good they still found work for it laying mines and towing gliders. UK 4 engined bombers equalled German production of Ju 88s which was its only satisfactory bomber and its only real multi role A/C. They never produced an aircraft carrier, the UK did and also produced just under 10,000 naval aircraft of all types. When the conflict started Germany was outproduced completely by the UK and Commonwealth alone, the USA produced more than the UK and Germany combined. When you throw in Russian production which was also considerable the question to be asked was "Adolf, what were you playing at"? German industry was not at all geared up for the war he embarked upon.
It all stemmed from a much earlier English cottage industry. The propaganda of the time was able to take advantage with their rousing campaign, urging the cottage wigmakers to take up the cause with 'Merkins to Merlins!'WOW!
Is that where they knitted Merlin's?
It had two main uses, the first was setting the date for Easter in AD 664 (Synod of Whitby) and the second was target practice for the German high seas fleet in WW1 It was already a ruin due to the dissolution of monasteries but was ruined a bit more. Raid on Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby - WikipediaThat large building on the hill: is that where the Lord and overseers reside?
It does offer a grand view of the minions as they go about their tasks.
My uncle was custodian of Pickering castle for years, his brother who I hardly knew ran Scarborough crematorium, my father worked on the railway there until it shut and they moved to Thornaby. I agree its a great place, as a custodian John had a free pass to every historic monument and took me to all of them, he was a local historian himself.That image, plus the one of Whitby Abbey tells me what part of the world you're from! My in-laws all hail from near Pickering - lovely country.
My grandfather was carried out of his parents house on the headland in Hartlepool as a baby in 1914 as the shells rained down.It had two main uses, the first was setting the date for Easter in AD 664 (Synod of Whitby) and the second was target practice for the German high seas fleet in WW1 It was already a ruin due to the dissolution of monasteries but was ruined a bit more. Raid on Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby - Wikipedia
My boss used to live on the headland (I worked in Hartlepool), I used to made stained glass lamp shades there with Chris Reas wife and a few others. (very long story). Hartlepool headland was also bombarded by Americans during the war of independence.My grandfather was carried out of his parents house on the headland in Hartlepool as a baby in 1914 as the shells rained down.
This chap directed the 6" gun emplacement that managed to land a shell on Derflinger. He shares the family name and has an uncanny resemblance to my father. I wonder if Great Grandma was keeping a secret?!
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