Wich was the worst nation in the war?

[syscom3]

Id say Japan was the worst. They picked a fight that they could never have won. Their concepts of battle seemed like a modern version of a samurai epic.

Japan had neither the resources to win a battle of attrition, did not have the imaginition to change plans when things went wrong, and didnt have the technology and science to steadily improve their forces.

We could also go about their utter lack of coordination between the army and navy, the lack of emphysis on logistics and supply, etc, etc.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Im not going to say that the USA was but there are a few things they did that irritate me, like when the Brits needed the Americans most Uncle Sam turned the other cheek, it wasnt until the States were bombed by the Japanese they started to think our way, but till this day the Americans still think they won the war.

we couldnt have won it without them but they didnt win it.

You seem to forget that we had to fight in two huge theaters and although there was great assistance from the commonwealth, the war in the Pacific would of been lost without US involvement. Although the priority was to defeat Germany, the American people feared the Japanese more because of PH and the stories of their atrocities. I hate to say it but if the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbor and went straight to Australia, you think they could of been stopped?!? That's half the reason why many Americans may apprear to feel that way.....

Now to answer your comment about "seeing it our way," we had a huge neutrality lobby in the US, with the main culprit being the ambassador to England, Joe Kennedy who wanted to let Britain sink during the BoB. Roosevelt eventually fired him, and prior to that, there was no justification for the US to go to war with Germany, even though we began to supply Britain and France. Germany didn't attack us, there were no German troops lined up along our borders and they weren't trying to get Mexico to invade us (Like WW1) although there could of been some justification with the rising U boat attacks which were really stepped up after the US entered the war. As a matter of fact, the US had to see it "your way" because on Dec. 8, Hitler declared war on the US!!!!

I think you're being stereotypical when you imply that Americans think we won WW2 singlehandedly. I lived in Canada for 5 years and I met Canadians who thought like you, they knew of Pearl Harbor but didn't have a clue about Guadal Canal, Bataan, Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa!!!

 

[102first_hussars]

FLYBOYJ

Yes I am Aware that United States had a to fight on two fronts, what I said at the end of my first post was The Allies could not have won Without the States,but The States did not win the war on their own thats all,
and Im just irritated by the predent day beleif that Americans did in fact win the war on their own,

 

[102first_hussars]

Oh and another thing flyboyJ, your right the Germans never threatend the States Publicly or massed soldiers against the country the threat was lurking underwater,

I had just seen a Documentery that there was a sunkin U-boat found within the the Florida waters, And another not far from New York.

 

[Nonskimmer]

You realize that the US was providing aid to Britain well before they officially entered the war though, right?

So you're with JTF 2, huh? How's that workin' for ya?

 

[FLYBOYJ]

FLYBOYJ

Im just irritated by the predent day beleif that Americans did in fact win the war on their own,

And I think you're being sterotypical about that assumption. You may have uneducated Americans who may believe that but those of us who study history know WW2 was a team effort and couldn't be won without the alliances.

When I lived in Canada, many people I met thought we still had a draft, that irritated me too...

 

[syscom3]

The US didnt win the war in the ETO by itself, but the Brits and Russians could not have won without us.

In the PTO, we won it all by ourselves.

 

[Nonskimmer]

And I think you're being sterotypical about that assumption. You may have uneducated Americans who may believe that but those of us who study history know WW2 was a team effort and couldn't be won without the alliances.

Well it's hardly just Americans who may be uneducated about history or world events. I've seen just as many Canadians who think they have it all figured out, and who end up making total asses of themselves. They take hearsay as gospel and never bother to research any facts, or they'll listen to all the wrong people. Then they'll bitch and moan about how stupid and ignorant Americans are.

One that gets me everytime is the gripe "Aww, those stupid Americans don't know a thing about Canada. We live right next door to them and we're their biggest trading partner. We know more about them."
Ask a Canadian sometime about his/her own country's particulars or history and look at the blank stare. That, or they'll have it completely wrong. That always gets me.

It's always a good idea to have your facts straight before attacking anyone, and it's a better idea to know a little something about yourself before whining about everyone else in the world. I'd say that to anyone, certainly not only my fellow Canadians.

 

[syscom3]

I like looking at the face of a Canadian when an American team wins the Stanley Cup. Its priceless.

 

[evangilder]

Australia, Canada, China, Mexico, Holland, New Zealand, and the UK all contributed to the war in the Pacific. It is not true that the US won the PTO alone.

 

[Nonskimmer]

I like looking at the face of a Canadian when an American team wins the Stanley Cup. Its priceless.

Well the way things are going in the NHL, it'll be entirely American soon anyway.

"Bring the Cup home!!!"



Yep. We love "our" sport so much, we'll let the entire Canadian end of the franchise collapse through our own shortsightedness and refusal to adapt. Then we'll complain about the American takeover. You watch.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

And I think you're being sterotypical about that assumption. You may have uneducated Americans who may believe that but those of us who study history know WW2 was a team effort and couldn't be won without the alliances.

Well it's hardly just Americans who may be uneducated about history or world events. I've seen just as many Canadians who think they have it all figured out, and who end up making total asses of themselves. They take hearsay as gospel and never bother to research any facts, or they'll listen to all the wrong people. Then they'll bitch and moan about how stupid and ignorant Americans are.

One that gets me everytime is the gripe "Aww, those stupid Americans don't know a thing about Canada. We live right next door to them and we're their biggest trading partner. We know more about them."
Ask a Canadian sometime about his/her own country's particulars or history and look at the blank stare. That, or they'll have it completely wrong. That always gets me.

It's always a good idea to have your facts straight before attacking anyone, and it's a better idea to know a little something about yourself before whining about everyone else in the world. I'd say that to anyone, certainly not only my fellow Canadians.

Good one NS - now if I came up to Halifax, how far would I have to drive to see the igloos?

 

[Nonskimmer]

Well if we take the dog team, we should be there in time for the iceworm festival. I hear it's been a good seal harvest.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

I'll make sure I have my snowshoes!

 

[Nonskimmer]

And I'll bring the whale oil.

 

[syscom3]

Australia and NZ supplied a few divisions, and a few groups for the air war. Mexico supplied a squadron. The dutch, next to nothing. The brits were tied up in a sideshow in Burma. And the chinese were supplied totally by the US.

The US dwarfed them all. In late 1943, once the navy started the island hopping strategy, the Japanese were doomed regardless of what happened in new Guinie or CBI.

The biggest naval battles in history were fought by the US Navy. What brought the Japanese economy to its knee's?.......US Submarines and B29's. Who destroyed Japanese airpower in the PTO? USAAF and USN.

PTO was an American show. Everyone else was in a small supporting role.

 

[Nonskimmer]

True enough for the most part. No one deny's the superior US presence in the Pacific, or the overwhelming contribution of the US. As you say, the PTO was largely an American show. Do we just forget the others then? It meant nothing? As much as I hate it when people dump on the US just for the sake of it, the reverse is also true.

 

[evangilder]

That's my point, while I will agree that a majority of the work was done by the US, there were other nations that helped out. No matter how small, they helped out, which mean it wasn't completely won by the US.

 

[syscom3]

Sure enough, the other countries contributed in the early part of the war. But beginning in late 1942 when the first sizeable American forces arrived, then it became an American show. We dictated the strategy, the pace and where we would fight. Japan was defeated by American forces that were so well equiped that we didnt need any help from all of the others combined.

I ask you this...... name one critical battle (air-sea-land) after 1942, fought anywhere in the PTO that had a direct impact on the course of the war, that was fought by the other countries without US assistance.

 

[evangilder]

That's not necessarily a question that would prove that the US alone won the War in the Pacific. You could ask a similar question about Europe and it would still not necessarily prove anything.

6 Battalions of the New Zealand Army were involved in the Solomons Campaign and many others after 1942. Take a look at the link below and it talks about British and commonwealth forces in the different areas of WWII, europe, Pacific and the CBI.

http://www.regiments.org/wars/ww2/ww2index.htm

We did not do it alone, we had help that was needed. Just because the Americans were in charge does not mean that we didn't want or need help. Could we have done it alone? Maybe, but I don't think it is right to say that the contributions of the other allies was of little consequence.