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The buffalo was actually quite a good aircraft.
Just one question for you WayneThe Brewster Buffalo was a shameful little beast
KNIL Buffalo's example:The Brewster Buffalo was a shameful little beast.
Harry Simons, who as a pilot for the Kon. Ned. Ind. Luchtvaart Mij. (KNILM) [the NEI civilian airline] was called up as a fighter pilot on the Buffalo, reported that he found the Buffalo a good aircraft provided it was fitted with the 1200 hp engine. He stated: "Although it may sound strange, I still remember the agile maneuverability of the Buffalo and in principle it was a very good aircraft as long as it had 1200 hp. The armament with two light and two heavy machineguns, was on the light side.
Captain Piet Tideman, commander of 3-Vl.G.V: "Coming to an evaluation of the Brewster fighter, especially compared to the Zero by which it was opposed - I think that my views are not directly in line with what is generally said about the Brewster. Generally it is said that that it was far inferior to the Zero. (.....) On the contrary, the Brewster was a good, sturdy, fast fighter with two half-inch armour-plates behind the seat. She would take a hell of a beating. My view is that our drawback during the fighter actions was not an inferior aeroplane, but that we had too few of them and also our armament was too little and too light.
I think you guys should read "Bloody Shambles." The Buffalo didn't do as bad as you might think in RAF and RAAF service in the South Pacific.
There were plenty of aircraft that were a lot worse.
And if FAF considered Brewster B-239 as its best fighter from early 40 to early 43 (When we got Bf 109G-2s) so clearly there were worse fighters than B-239.
Juha
The worst? I'd say it's the Polikarpov I-15. 2,200 were lost in the first week of German invasion of Russia in June 1941.
It actually says it was underpowered with a painfully inadequate wing area and sluggish to handle, not difficult. Sorry about that one. I stand by my 'shameful little beast' comment though. even the link you provided gives enough material to support that comment.
As Marcel highlighted in his reply, 'in principle it was a very good aircraft'. Its just that in reality it was bloody awful.
Actually I think the Whirlwind is one of the more overrated a/c of WWII. I don't see it as a "worldwinner" anymore then other a/c.In principle the Westland Whirlwind was an absolute world beater well ahead of the P-38. But in reality it never had a chance.
Well, Parsifal, in fact any fighter that the Allies had in 1941-42 in the PTO had a hard time against the Zero. Not the Hurricane, P40, P39, Wildcat, you name it did very well these first months. The Buffalo was no exception. Still this a/c got a worse reputation than the rest, only because of Midway. I don't believe the a/c deserved such a judgement if the others don't. I still don't believe the Buffalo was that bad. They were with too few and bad tactics did the rest. There is a reason why the Finns had soo much success with them. They couldn't have had that if the a/c was bad.I dont consider the buffalo to be the worst in war, but is was not a shining example of American engineering either. The pilots did their best with it, but by 1942 it simply was not competitive against the Japanese
The Dutch only had 72 Brewsters ordered and less were on strength when the Japanese attacked. That is a very small number considering the huge land they had to defend. I would say that's the reason why they didn't make an impact, not the performance of the a/c. Furthermore, early-warning systems were non-existent in the Dutch EI, so the Dutch had very little warning and had no time to get altitude. I don't understand where you get the idea that they usually could dive on their opponent. This was no BoB with Radar posts.The Dutch did enjoy better success with the Buffalo than either the brits ofr the Americans, but more in the sense that the type was able to survive a little longer.....ther is little or no evidence to support any claim that the loss rates for the Japanese were much higher in the NEI than they were in any of the other campaigns....in other words, the Dutch got more time to shoot at the Japs, but faioled to make any appreciable difference. I believe this stems from the poor quality of the Buffalo, since it was impossible for the Japanese to "outflank" the Dutch, and the Dutch were able to generally dive on the Japanese (due to the better performance at altitude).
But while the Dutch Buffalo was "less bad" than the British version, it could not escape its fate as an outclassed and obsolete aircraft. The Dutch may have done better than anyone in the Far East, but this does not demonstrate the superiority of their equipment....
I don't think you can absolutely nail down some special inferiority of the Buffalo from the combat results. But OTOH statements like 'it didn't do so badly' are not in line with reality, v the Japanese. It did quite badly v Japanese fighters, almost without exception. But it was in a period where other Alllied fighter types were generally doing poorly v Japanese fighters too, though there were exceptions to that rule.
Joe
I suspect that fast torpedo armed fighters like the P38 would've fared much better at Midway than the TBD.Actually the TBD wasn't as bad as it is made out to be. In fact it was better than most torpedo bombers of the era.
It just gets a bad rep due to Midway ,when in fact any torpedo bomber attacking, against the odds they were facing, would have suffered the same fate.
What ingress/egress speeds would a torpedo armed P38 manage in comparison in an operational approach?And the TBD was that bad. Consider that clean it's top speed was a mere 206mph. When carrying a torp it was hard pressed to make 125mph.