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So, earlier I suggested the Grumman Widgeon/Gosling (admittedly tongue in cheek) but, out of curiosity I started digging around to see what the Widgeon contributed to the war and as hard as I have tried I can find nothing other than that it served in the Royal Navy. In fact, its importance to the war effort was so inconsequential that Grumman was able to start building new civilian versions again before the end of the war. Apparently, it was fairly underpowered. It could be modified to carry a 200lb depth charge which is useful for patrol. However, other than a mis-identified kill in the Gulf of Mexico it appears to have no record of distinction. And isn't that the definition of worst? To have been in the party and done nothing. Here's a nice image of a restored Widgeon/Gosling in Royal Naval colors.
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Here's a nice image of a restored Widgeon/Gosling in Royal Naval colors.
I think one of the Widgeon's problems is that is really overshadowed by the Goose which was a little larger, but better engined and did have a significant role in the war. I think the Widgeon's problem is that it was underpowered. If you look at it postwar, there are quite a few engine upgrades.One would not expect a light amphibian to have a significant military role beyond training, communications, VIP transport, and SAR.
I came across a couple references to that paint job. I am definitely not an expert in Royal Navy paint jobs of the time, but looking at what I can quickly find it appears to be a "West Indies" camouflage scheme. Here is a link to that particular aircraft with more information (also a screen shot) as well as some other schemes.Never seen anything in the Royal Navy with those paint colours.
Reap:Britain was not impressed with the P-38, which they got several of, that had been destined for France.
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I would not be impressed with the P-38 built to the modifications that the British insisted Lockheed incorporate. Handling qualities without counter rotating engines doom Lockheed's design fronm the start. At least the RAF would have had a long range high altitude fighter.
I came across a couple references to that paint job. I am definitely not an expert in Royal Navy paint jobs of the time, but looking at what I can quickly find it appears to be a "West Indies" camouflage scheme. Here is a link to that particular aircraft with more information (also a screen shot) as well as some other schemes.
Aircraft Photo of N44CH / FP469 | Grumman G-44A Widgeon | UK - Navy | AirHistory.net #173146
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I wonder if the Lightning got deprecated by the RAF as soon as the Mosquito appeared on the scene ...
That one has been converted from Ranger to Continental or Lycoming enginesSo, earlier I suggested the Grumman Widgeon/Gosling (admittedly tongue in cheek) but, out of curiosity I started digging around to see what the Widgeon contributed to the war and as hard as I have tried I can find nothing other than that it served in the Royal Navy. In fact, its importance to the war effort was so inconsequential that Grumman was able to start building new civilian versions again before the end of the war. Apparently, it was fairly underpowered. It could be modified to carry a 200lb depth charge which is useful for patrol. However, other than a mis-identified kill in the Gulf of Mexico it appears to have no record of distinction. And isn't that the definition of worst? To have been in the party and done nothing. Here's a nice image of a restored Widgeon/Gosling in Royal Naval colors.
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Resp:The Lightning got deprecated by the British as soon as they saw the dive speed limitations.
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Yes, that is true, but that was sometime after the French and British ordered the Lightning. Not sure if the British just went along with the French insisting non-counter rotating Allisons. The French and British were listed in the same sentence describing the engine change. Not sure if they both insisted, or that the British just went along with the idea. The reasoning was that they already had or were getting Allison engined P-40s (Tomahawks?).
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I would not be impressed with the P-38 built to the modifications that the British insisted Lockheed incorporate. Handling qualities without counter rotating engines doom Lockheed's design fronm the start. At least the RAF would have had a long range high altitude fighter.
Resp:No, they would not.
Apart from only getting a handful of the "castrated" Lightning Is, the order for 300 or 400 Lighning IIs (with turbos and handed engines) was taken over by the USAAF when the USA entered the war.