ww2 help

[Alecras234]

oh so as the Germans began the schliffen plan through Belgium, they met the BEF at Mons near the Belgian border, then what, the BEF retreated, had they attacked the Germans much?

How should the wording in my list go?

 

[Wurger]

Yes. it was exactly you said. The BEF fought well and caused disproportionate casualties on the numerically superior Germans.

So you may word it in the way..

The first battle of the BEF – 23 August, Belgium, Mons
The BEF stopped the Germans advance and caused a lot of casualties on Germans.
The battle at Mons was a tactic victory but the BEF had to retreat from Mons.
Creating the legend the Angels of Mons

 

[Alecras234]

The first battle of the BEF - Belguim, Mons, 23 August 1914.

Retreat of the BEF from Mons.

Creating of the legend of the 'Angels of Mons'

Germans advancing.

September 1914 - retreating of the French Army and BEF reached the Marne River. Where are the French army retreating to?

 

[Alecras234]

sorry only just seen your message, shall i use this instead or aswel as?
The first battle of the BEF – 23 August, Belgium, Mons
The BEF stopped the Germans advance and caused a lot of casualties on Germans.
The battle at Mons was a tactic victory but the BEF had to retreat from Mons.
Creating the legend the Angels of Mons

 

[Wurger]

Instead...

the full list of these points ...

The first battle of the BEF – 23 August 1914 , Belgium, Mons
The BEF stopped the Germans advance and caused a lot of casualties on Germans.
The battle at Mons was a tactic victory but the BEF had to retreat from Mons.
Creating the legend of the Angels of Mons
German army advance through Belgium to France
September 1914 - the retreating French Army and BEF reached the Marne River.
General Joseph Gallieni - the Chief of Paris garrison and defence of the fortress.

Where are the French army retreating to?

Both the French Army and BEF were retreating to the area east of Paris at the Marne River.

 

[Alecras234]

So all of those points I can use? I was thinking, was the battle of Mona fraught whilst the Germans were trying to cross from Belgium into France following the Schlieffen plan? The French and BEF retreated when more German forces came

 

[Wurger]

Yes you can use all of them.

The battle of Mons was one of a couple of battles taken up at the beginning of the WW1. To be honest the battle wasn't of too siginificant meaning although it was a victory. The defeat of French units at the Charleroi caused the retreat of the combined allied forces. It wasn't until the first battle of Marne stopped he German advance.

 

[Alecras234]

Hi could you explain how you make those short facts as i am now looking at chapter 3 and i read the first 3 sentences, i don't know how to make a fact out of it.

 

[Wurger]

OK. All depends on the info you want to put into a such sentence. For instance.. There you are the sentence about the BEF and its first battle. So I decided to put it into the short point.

"The first major confrontation between the Great Powers took place in the Belgium town of Mons on 23 August; Britain's first battle on mainland Europe since Waterloo almost a century before."

The sentence above says that the first battle " took place in the Belgium town of Mons ". Also there is the date for the battle - 23 August. Additionally, although the sentence doesn't provide the info that it was the BEF battle but it says " Britain's first battle on mainland Europe " . Because there wasn't any other British Army in the mainland Europe at that time, it was the BEF only.

So having all that info I wrote a short sentence "The first battle of the BEF – 23 August 1914 , Belgium, Mons"
And that's all. The next points were created in the same way with my intention of keeping the timeline order for the list of points..

 

[Alecras234]

hi im sorry, im looking at the beginning of chapter 3, and im not sure how to word it. The Russians went into eastern Prussia and the Germans were led by 2 generals. That doesnt sound right.

War had begun on the Eastern Front. Two Russian armies bore down into East Prussia, while the German army was led by the formidable duo of Generals Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff. The Germans, in full possession of Russian plans, decimated the first Russian army. 'The tsar trusted me,' wailed the Russian commander, Alexander Samsonov. 'How can I ever face him again?' He didn't – he walked into a nearby wood and shot himself. The second Russian army fared no better.

 

[Wurger]

hi im sorry, im looking at the beginning of chapter 3, and im not sure how to word it. The Russians went into eastern Prussia and the Germans were led by 2 generals. That doesnt sound right.

Why it doesn't? All is correct and sounds OK. Paul von Hindenburg was the commander of the 8th Army while Erich Ludendorf was the Chief of Staff of the 8th Army. So they both were the German commanding officers there.

 

[Alecras234]

Shall i say, the Russians went into Eastern Prussia in and say when, the book doesnt say when it was but shall i say it like that? Then another fact, German Army was led by 2 generals and say who and when??

 

[Wurger]

Yes that's a good idea Alec.. the points may be worded like these below..

17 August 1914 - Russian the 1st Army went into Eastern Prussia from the East.
19 August 1914 - Russian the 2nd Army attacked the Eastern Prussia from the South.
22 August 1914 - Gen. Paul von Hindenburg became the commander of the German 8th Army
22 August 1914 - Gen. Erich Ludendorf became the Chief of Staff of the German 8th Army.
26-27 August 1914 - the German 8th Army attacked the Russian 2nd Army.
28-29 August 1914 - the battle at Grunwald ( Tannenberg ), the German victory.
29/30 August 1914 - the commander of the Russian 2nd Army, Gen. Alexander Samsonov committed suicide.

 

[Alecras234]

hi these shorts facts are good, they help me learn. I know when the battle of mons was but i don't know much about what happened. Here's what i've memorized, do i need to know more about the battle? i like learning

The first battle of the BEF – 23 August 1914 , Belgium, Mons
The BEF stopped the Germans advance and caused a lot of casualties on Germans.
The battle at Mons was a tactic victory but the BEF had to retreat from Mons.
Creating the legend of the Angels of Mons
German army advance through Belgium to France
September 1914 - the retreating French Army and BEF reached the Marne River.
.
Were bridges destroyed so the Germans couldn't cross the river to where the BEF were?

 

[Wurger]

... do i need to know more about the battle?

It is up to you only. However I don't think you need to know more.

Were bridges destroyed so the Germans couldn't cross the river to where the BEF were?

To be honest I don't remind myself anything about destroyed bridges. But for sure Germans used the some of the crossing stuff or built their own bridges.

 

[Alecras234]

can you help me with this please?
The Germans advanced through France but were rapidly running out of steam, too exhausted to maintain the momentum. By early September they had reached the River Marne, only thirty miles north of Paris. The military commander of Paris, General Joseph Gallieni, was old enough to remember 1871 when the Prussians, Germany's predecessors, had besieged the capital to the point of starvation. He had no intention of allowing the Germans anywhere near Paris again. After three days of fighting at the Marne, the Germans looked poised to break through the French and British forces, and onto Paris. Gallieni was to send reinforcements but while he had the troops he had no means to transport them

i thought i could say, the germans swept through France and fought the BEF and the French again at the river marne. That's too long, so i could say the germans fought the BEF and French army at the battle of the river marne by September 1914, can you word it better?

 

[Wurger]

Gen. Galleni sent reinforcements using the Paris taxicabs.
The battle of Marne - 5-9 September 1914.
The French Army and BEF stopped the German's advance.

 

[Alecras234]

is that this bit?
In a flash of ingenuity, he seized every available Parisian taxi – 600 of them – crammed each one full of soldiers and sent them on their way to meet the army of the French commander-in-chief, General Joseph Joffre. The arrival of Gallieni's taxis saved the day. It was on the River Marne that the Schlieffen Plan came to a shuddering halt. Paris was safe and now it was the turn of the Germans to retreat. They fell back, forty miles north, to the River Aisne where they stopped and dug in. The Allies tried to dislodge the Germans from their defensive positions but, failing to do so, began to dig their own trenches. General Joffre moved part of his force northwards of the Aisne to try and

So shall i say, first battle of marne 5 - 9 september 1914,
The French Army and BEF stopped the German's advance, How, when?

 

[Wurger]

These three points in my post #257 are my replay to your posts #256 and 258.

The French Army and BEF stopped the German's advance, How, when?

just at the battle of Marne ...

 

[N4521U]

My goodness.....
I've been reading thru as many posts as I could understand, Few.
I've loved aircraft for too many years, I am 75 and I learn by Group Builds.
With every Group Build I learn a little more. I find it difficult to force feed myself with history.
I used to hope it wouldn't repeat itself, but man seams unwilling to give it a chance to rest.
It's just over and over.
So I keep building, and learning little by little.

I admire your tenacity.
Cheers from Australia mate.
Bill