WW2 top ten planes

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well here is mine no particular order either:

Bf-109G-6
Fw-190D-9
Ta-152H
Spitfire XIV
P-38L
B-17F
A-20
P-47D
Ju-88
Fw-190A

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

Lancaster
Mossie
Meteor
Spitfire
hurricane
wellington
Fw-190 (don't ask why)
Avenger
Corsair
Sunderland

 

[MacArther]

P40
B25 H
Hawker Hurrican IID
Hawker Hurrican IIC
Me 163
Do 335

 

[Udet]

I´d of course go for the Dornier Do 335.

Did not include it on my list because it did not see combat, although got thoroughly tested.

I am convinced the lack of a coherent and centralized armament production policy in the Reich doomed the war effort.

A complete geschwader of "Pfeils" could have been a terrorific experience for USAAF escorts, say, in early 1944.

Nothing the allies had in the ETO -nor anything still under their development- could simply deal with it. Faster, superior acceleration and astonishing small turning radius.

It seems so large and sinister, it´d appear it could ram a Mustang without noticing it and continue the flight.

 

[Glider]

I'd stack the MB 5 against it should we include tested planes that didn't make service

 

[Jabberwocky]

The numbers for the -262 weren't that impressive. Something like 1,200 total build with only 300 making it to ops, right?

1400 built and around 200 saw combat.

Still thats a lot more than some Spitfire marks;

Spitfire XII, 100 built, served in 2 squadrons

Spitfire VI, 100 built, served with 3 squadrons

Spitfire VII, 140 built, served with 4 squadrons

Spitfire XIV, 936 built, served with 8 ETO squadrons, 2 CBI squadrons

 

[Jabberwocky]

I´d of course go for the Dornier Do 335.

Did not include it on my list because it did not see combat, although got thoroughly tested.

I am convinced the lack of a coherent and centralized armament production policy in the Reich doomed the war effort.

A complete geschwader of "Pfeils" could have been a terrorific experience for USAAF escorts, say, in early 1944.

Nothing the allies had in the ETO -nor anything still under their development- could simply deal with it. Faster, superior acceleration and astonishing small turning radius.

It seems so large and sinister, it´d appear it could ram a Mustang without noticing it and continue the flight.

Nothing under development! What are you smoking and where can I get some? The Allies had MASSES of planes under development.

XP-47J ring any bells? How about the P-47M or the P-51H? Maybe a XP-72? Or we can go British: Supermarine Spiteful, Martin Baker MB.5, Meteor III, deHavilland Vampire? If the British jets aren't enough, how about a Yp-80? If we are going into flights of fantasy I'm sure that the FAA and the USN would of loved flying their F8Fs and F7Fs off carriers in the North Sea against Do-335s.

 

[Udet]

The dreaded P-51 H will have too much trouble dealing with the Bf 109 K-4, Fw 190 D and Ta 152, let alone go against a Pfeil. In the comfort of massive numerical superiority perhaps the H´s can achieve something against it (repeat, perhaps...)

The likewise dreaded P-47 N is left behind in terms of speed, acceleration and turning radius when compared to the Do 335.

The Gloster Meteor ain´t anything to worry about though. The Me 262 is simply better and superior.

The latest Spitfires will have too much trouble dealing with the German planes I mentioned in the first paragraph as well.

P.S. Ah! I do not smoke!

 

[Glider]

And what about the Martin Baker 5? Also remember that the Meteor III was in service but the IV a much better beast was just around the corner.
Not forgeting the Hornet of course and Tempest II.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Udet I do think you are forgetting that the allied aircraft did not just stop in developement and research and design either. They had lots of very capable designs in the works.

 

[CurzonDax]

Oh yeah! Allies had tons of planes. There was even a bubble canopy Corsair under development that probably would have blown off the socks of even a P-51. I would have loved to see these Corsairs go aganist the GAF.

XP-47J ring any bells? How about the P-47M or the P-51H? Maybe a XP-72? Or we can go British: Supermarine Spiteful, Martin Baker MB.5, Meteor III, deHavilland Vampire? If the British jets aren't enough, how about a Yp-80? If we are going into flights of fantasy I'm sure that the FAA and the USN would of loved flying their F8Fs and F7Fs off carriers in the North Sea against Do-335s.[/quote]

 

[Lightning Guy]

If you are going to mention 'what-if's for Allied aircraft don't forget the XP-79.

 

[CurzonDax]

The point is, if Hitler had not been such a poopoo head jabroni, and let his people run the aircraft programs like they wanted to, the Luftwaffe could (and this is a big maybe) altered but probably not changed the course of the war. Even with these kick butt planes, Germany did not have the resources to compete with the Allies, especially the US', industry. Still it makes me think, if the war had been extended because of the "wonder weapons", would the F-86 been thought of and developed sooner?

:{)

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

but the lightening was only designed in 1947 i believe, if the war had carried on it would've made service long before 1960! and there is of course the hunter, vampire and fury, not forgetting the canberra, i realise these're mostly post war planes as it stands, but they would've been developed allot faster had the war carried on, and there would of course be many many more designs..........

 

[cheddar cheese]

Maybe even B-36's

 

[lesofprimus]

LG IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!

Sup boy, long time.....

 

[Jabberwocky]

The dreaded P-51 H will have too much trouble dealing with the Bf 109 K-4, Fw 190 D and Ta 152, let alone go against a Pfeil. In the comfort of massive numerical superiority perhaps the H´s can achieve something against it (repeat, perhaps...)

The likewise dreaded P-47 N is left behind in terms of speed, acceleration and turning radius when compared to the Do 335.

The Gloster Meteor ain´t anything to worry about though. The Me 262 is simply better and superior.

The latest Spitfires will have too much trouble dealing with the German planes I mentioned in the first paragraph as well.

P.S. Ah! I do not smoke!

Lets see.... The P-47M was just as fast as the Do-335. The P-47N was a mere 5 mph slower than the Do-335. It was also MORE manuverable than the P-47D/M series, rolled better and accelerated better thanks to a revised wing design. I'd like to see your evidence about the Dorniers turn and acceleration performance as well. Many reports mention unpleasant 'porposing' and 'snaking' at high speed.

The P-51H has the Pfel beat in terms of sheer speed. I also wonder just how well your vaunted Pfiel would of manouvered, considering it was around 60% heavier than a P-51H at basic loadout and had worse powerloading and wingloading.

By the way, there were 210 Meteor IIIs produced by the end of the war, all with improved Derwent engines, which really transformed the Gloster jet. In level speed terms alone the Meteor went from 414 mph to 493 mph with the new engines, doubled its rate of climb, revised the engine nacels to eliminte buffet, improved fuel capacity, revised cockpit and other improvements. Admittedly, it wasn't as fast as a Me-262, but it is still a dramatic improvement, edging the 262 out in a climb.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Still it makes me think, if the war had been extended because of the "wonder weapons", would the F-86 been thought of and developed sooner?

:{)

Doubt it since it owed a lot of its design to German designs and inovations.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

whereas british jets weren't as much...........

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Agreed for the most part.