SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
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XP-39 II - The Groundhog Day Thread
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windhund116
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buffnut453
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You're not fooling me with that one. That's the box art for the 1979 re-pop of the old 1/48 Monogram Groundhog released to coincide with the re-make of the classic Japanese monster movie G'hogzilla.
The old Monogram kit was pretty neat and quite well detailed for its day. It even included extra parts so you could model your groundhog with the Silverplate modifications for the nuclear mission.
Interesting factoid: had the U.S. Boeing Super-Groundhog failed, consideration was being given to use British Avro Groundhogs instead. There's some debate about whether the British groundhogs had the range or altitude to actually complete the nuclear drop successfully, although the former problem could have been overcome using air-to-air nutsack replenishment which was a proven technology as early as 1935.
glennasher
Senior Airman
[QUOTE="buffnut453, post: 1598502, member: 11447"
Interesting factoid: had the U.S. Boeing Super-Groundhog failed, consideration was being given to use British Avro Groundhogs instead. There's some debate about whether the British groundhogs had the range or altitude to actually complete the nuclear drop successfully, although the former problem could have been overcome using air-to-air nutsack replenishment which was a proven technology as early as 1935.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but what about the COG issues?
Interesting factoid: had the U.S. Boeing Super-Groundhog failed, consideration was being given to use British Avro Groundhogs instead. There's some debate about whether the British groundhogs had the range or altitude to actually complete the nuclear drop successfully, although the former problem could have been overcome using air-to-air nutsack replenishment which was a proven technology as early as 1935.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but what about the COG issues?
buffnut453
Captain
Yes, but what about the COG issues?
[/QUOTE]I think they fixed those...but I can't remember if they moved the radio forward, removed the IFF, futzed around with the nose armour, or swapped out the cannon for 50 cals. Regardless, the changes resulted in a massive increase in rate of climb.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Someone must have a spreadsheet here.[/QUOTE]Yes, but what about the COG issues?
This is what happens with fat finger syndrome.
That Spitfire in LW colours you posted a while ago could've carried little boy under each wing !Won't work unless you get rid if the roundels - major drag penalty, you know.
GregP
Major
Here is a P-40 with twin Allisons:
Maybe they could do that with a P-39 and change the CG issues.
But what O what could you ever do about the VISIBILITY from the cockpit? The enemy can sneak up on this thing from ANYWHERE except directly in front of the nose or straight above the cockpit, and he can sneak up from in front if he is at lower altitude. The pilot has a GREAT view of cowlings and exhausts. I bet he was deaf in one flight!
In hindsight, it makes you wonder why this was ever attempted. Perhaps some crew chief lost a bet or ir was a commie plot of some sort. We should have supplied these to Germany free of charge. Send German pilot prisoners home in one ...
Maybe they could do that with a P-39 and change the CG issues.
But what O what could you ever do about the VISIBILITY from the cockpit? The enemy can sneak up on this thing from ANYWHERE except directly in front of the nose or straight above the cockpit, and he can sneak up from in front if he is at lower altitude. The pilot has a GREAT view of cowlings and exhausts. I bet he was deaf in one flight!
In hindsight, it makes you wonder why this was ever attempted. Perhaps some crew chief lost a bet or ir was a commie plot of some sort. We should have supplied these to Germany free of charge. Send German pilot prisoners home in one ...
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fubar57
General
How many groundhogs would that hold?
GregP
Major
Eleventy three groundhogs. That data from Junior Samples of Hee Haw, serial number BR549.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
In case anyone is wondering about that "modified" P-40C, it's real.
From Joe Baugher:
"41-13456 - modified in 1942 to become a mock-up of an undesignated twin-engined fighter. W/o 18 Feb 1943 at Craig Field, AL; Condemned Feb 27, 1943."
From Joe Baugher:
"41-13456 - modified in 1942 to become a mock-up of an undesignated twin-engined fighter. W/o 18 Feb 1943 at Craig Field, AL; Condemned Feb 27, 1943."
Don't think so. Look at the drawing. Change from tail heavy to nose heavy. Unless, of course, you do a P47 and fill all that suddenly empty space back there with turbochargers and intercoolers.
Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
The best thing that could have happened to it.
wuzak
Captain
But they would have to use wing mounted guns and couldn't have the 37mm cannon that shoots flat out to 400 yards.
Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
NOW who's trying to hide their Groundhog envy?
Nice try but it doesn't wash, we all know the box art was taken from the real photo of Groundhog Boeing 44-5499's historic August 1945 mission, no nutsack replenishment needed. Also no thinking person that had authority was seriously considering the Avro Groundhog, it's a myth.
As a side note, I tried to build the 1/48 Monogram kit as a younger me, but my cat had romantic "tendencies" towards it so I had to cease and desist the build.
windhund116
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Early squirrel operated reconnaissance drone.
CG out of limits forward. Rejected for service use due to squirrelly behavior at the stall and on landing. Only a lightweight surgically neutered squirrel can fly it safely. Standard heavy nutsack groundhogs incompatible.
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