447th raid on dresden 19 april 1945

[kc97]

I found this site looking for photo I served with walter reeves and he told me he was on b17 hells a poppin and witnessed the downing of dead mans hand he was ttg and was swinging the guns to fire as the me262 moved in but tail# 188 fired first and the fighter fired and 188 was lost now when I found that thread I thouhgt maybe some here might have photo tail #279 that would be would be hells a poppin walter has passed on but you dont forget

 

[fubar57]

This is what the "B-17 Nose Art Name Directory" has. Squadron number would be helpful. The "No" means no photo known but the publication date is 1996 and I have found photos when there was a "No"

 

[kc97]

thanks for reply I have been looking for photo for a long time when I found this site I thought someone might have something I havent come across #279 was part of the711th sqd I have some info on the rest of the mission crew names and tail #s if I can help anyone just ask

 

[Snautzer01]

Hi do you have the serial number for this bird? Any names Nick name will help, i am sure. Times dates or bases or waht ever you can think of that would help a researcher.

It will not be the first time we dig stuff up.

Dead mans hand:
Boeing B-17G-5-BO 42-31188

Delivered Cheyenne 30/9/43; Harvard 16/10/43; Assigned 709BS/447BG Rattlesden 21/11/43; Missing in Action Pirna (111m)19/4/45 with Bob Glazener, Ray Fortier, Ernie Purcifull, Seb Bucceri, Hobart Jarvis, Theo Ciernier, no wg ?, Jim Burton (7 Prisoner of War); Harry Cramer (Killed in Action); jet enemy aircraft, crashed Dresden, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 14180. DEAD MAN'S HAND.(Last heavy bomber lost to enemy aircraft).
One of the 447th's "Century Ships", Dead Man's Hand is credited with 111 combat missions, and on its final mission had the sad distinction of being the last combat loss for the 447th and the last 8th Air Force heavy lost to German fighters in the War. media-15757.jpeg | American Air Museum

 

[fubar57]

No photo of your aircraft but there are a lot of crew photos and your friend may be among them. Start at page 110

 

[Snautzer01]

Is it B-17G-75-DL 44-83279 ?

 

[rochie]

found this

here media-20176.jpeg | American Air Museum

 

[fubar57]

From the 447th Bomb Group site; we may be out of luck

 

[Snautzer01]

found this
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here media-20176.jpeg | American Air Museum

 

[kc97]

I have seen that photo I understand that wasnt battle damage it happened after the war thats not enough to prove thats hells a poppin they wont take my story but thats it I was hopeing some Great great grandson found some pictures and was trying to find out more a picture maybe out there but dont know anyone would like to see it it was the loyd crew cp was hathaway thanks for the help

 

[fubar57]

The above photos were from a mid air, both made it back to base

 

[kc97]

seems I read a landing gear clipped the tail and maybe 279 was the last b17 issued to the 447th war is war even after the end

 

[Snautzer01]

I have seen that photo I understand that wasnt battle damage it happened after the war thats not enough to prove thats hells a poppin they wont take my story but thats it I was hopeing some Great great grandson found some pictures and was trying to find out more a picture maybe out there but dont know anyone would like to see it it was the loyd crew cp was hathaway thanks for the help

If you can as said before plse give names.

 

[kc97]

April 1945

447bg.smugmug.com

this is all of missions in april 1945 from there you should get more data

 

[manta22]

Dresden 2013. Frauenkirche.

 

[BrownAW]

Hi do you have the serial number for this bird? Any names Nick name will help, i am sure. Times dates or bases or waht ever you can think of that would help a researcher.

It will not be the first time we dig stuff up.

Dead mans hand:
Boeing B-17G-5-BO 42-31188

Delivered Cheyenne 30/9/43; Harvard 16/10/43; Assigned 709BS/447BG Rattlesden 21/11/43; Missing in Action Pirna (111m)19/4/45 with Bob Glazener, Ray Fortier, Ernie Purcifull, Seb Bucceri, Hobart Jarvis, Theo Ciernier, no wg ?, Jim Burton (7 Prisoner of War); Harry Cramer (Killed in Action); jet enemy aircraft, crashed Dresden, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 14180. DEAD MAN'S HAND.(Last heavy bomber lost to enemy aircraft).
One of the 447th's "Century Ships", Dead Man's Hand is credited with 111 combat missions, and on its final mission had the sad distinction of being the last combat loss for the 447th and the last 8th Air Force heavy lost to German fighters in the War. media-15757.jpeg | American Air Museum

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My uncle Lt Robert F Glazener, link to the a/c remains in Czech Republic, www.leteckabadatelna.cz/havarie-a-sestrely/detail/107/. Hope it works for you.
A W Brown. I had the model built. Last 3 photos of site debris.

 

[BrownAW]

Hi do you have the serial number for this bird? Any names Nick name will help, i am sure. Times dates or bases or waht ever you can think of that would help a researcher.

It will not be the first time we dig stuff up.

Dead mans hand:
Boeing B-17G-5-BO 42-31188

Delivered Cheyenne 30/9/43; Harvard 16/10/43; Assigned 709BS/447BG Rattlesden 21/11/43; Missing in Action Pirna (111m)19/4/45 with Bob Glazener, Ray Fortier, Ernie Purcifull, Seb Bucceri, Hobart Jarvis, Theo Ciernier, no wg ?, Jim Burton (7 Prisoner of War); Harry Cramer (Killed in Action); jet enemy aircraft, crashed Dresden, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 14180. DEAD MAN'S HAND.(Last heavy bomber lost to enemy aircraft).
One of the 447th's "Century Ships", Dead Man's Hand is credited with 111 combat missions, and on its final mission had the sad distinction of being the last combat loss for the 447th and the last 8th Air Force heavy lost to German fighters in the War. media-15757.jpeg | American Air Museum

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[BrownAW]

Map of B 17 crash sites link:
"map of B-17 crash site | B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress - The Queen Of The Skies"

when it connects you will see the German area covered with blue circles, some red. Just finger-expand and will hone in and make more sense as it represents a/c crash sites and links to data. My uncles a/c "Dead Man's Hand", 42-31188 is on border with Germany and Czech Republic . Go NNW out of Prague to Chumutov, then that same heading to a lone blue circle on the border. tap and will open that information. Amazing site that some put together. I would like to congratulate that research effort
thanks
A W Brown