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Only if the Spitfire is denied overboost.
The point of this is, if a Zero manhandles a Spit V from 0-20,000 feet, how does a 20-40 mph slower Hurricane with a slower climb rate stand even a remote chance? It doesn't.
Pre USA entry into the war testing of various USAAF fighters and the Hurricane and Spitfire:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-40/PHQ-M-19-1307-A.pdf
The performance they were extracting from some of the US aircraft, especially the P-39s is a bit extravagant. Again, no use of overboost for the Merlins.
There's a reason the USAAF took delivery of many hundreds of Spitfires via reverse lend-lease
So these pilots are testing a Spit V vs a Hap so they can figure out the strong points and weak points of both aircraft so hopefully they could keep themselves and their squadron mates from dying and you think they forgot to try the overboost when the Hap was whipping the Spit V from 0-20,000 feet?
Wouldn't there be a note somewhere,"Hap stomps Spit from 0-20,000, BUT if you use overboost Hap doesn't have a chance"
Seems that would be a relevant addition to the test. OR they used it and didn't mention it.
Zero had overboost available as well
Pre USA entry into the war testing of various USAAF fighters and the Hurricane and Spitfire:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-40/PHQ-M-19-1307-A.pdf
The performance they were extracting from some of the US aircraft, especially the P-39s is a bit extravagant. Again, no use of overboost for the Merlins.
There's a reason the USAAF took delivery of many hundreds of Spitfires via reverse lend-lease.
Agreed on Hurricane rolling better than Spitfire and Spitfire barely rolling better than the Zero. Also agree on Hurricane having armor and self sealing tanks but in BoB the tank in front of pilot didn't seal well, was bad about soaking pilot in fuel and lighting it. Finnish fighter pilots in Buffaloes considered Russian Hurricanes their easiest prey "shoot up front they burn easily". So not sure how good the self sealing tanks were.
You may be right Greyman. Could over heating in tropical heat be a reason? Would Volkes filter (not enough air) prevent over boost? I'm guessing, I have no idea
Essentially the Hurricane and Zero are very close performance wise in climb and speed with the Zero being better below 15,000 feet and the Hurricane better above.
The Hurricanes escape plan is the same as the P 40s, the P40 does dive faster than the Hurricane but they both can dive fast enough to escape a Zero or KI 43.
The limiting factor for the P40 in all variants is its anemic rate of climb, its just too heavy, with the Kittyhawks actually being worse than the Tomahawks they superseded.
It really doesn't matter what Allied fighter you are flying in early 1942 the game plan is the same when fighting the Zero or Ki 43. Whether you are flying an F4F, P 40, P39, Spit V or Hurricane, the goal is to get height, come down fast, take a shot, evade and repeat.
You may be right Greyman. Could over heating in tropical heat be a reason? Would Volkes filter (not enough air) prevent over boost? I'm guessing, I have no idea
Agreed on Hurricane rolling better than Spitfire and Spitfire barely rolling better than the Zero. Also
The Spitfire is outclassed by Hap at all heights up to 20,000 feet. I would say the same applies to the Hurricane.
The Spitfire is only 20 knots faster than a Hap at 26,000, assuming a Spitfire is about 20 knots faster than a Hurricane at 26,000 then I'm not seeing an advantage in anything for the Hurricane. Spitfire climb rate over Hap was insignificant at 27,000 and the Hap climbed at a steeper angle
I'm on a phone right now. It looks normal to me, same size as everyone's. Is this text that same way?These posts are interesting pinsog but do you have to make that text so big?
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I'm on a phone right now. It looks normal to me, same size as everyone's. Is this text that same way?
I am going off of BoB era Hurricanes. I read that they were bad about catching fire where the fuel tank is (fuel, glycol etc I didn't know the glycol tank was there) and when the pilot opened the canopy to bail it sucked flames into the cockpit like a blast furnace. When pumped full of cannon and machine gun fire, they all burn, I guess many of the others didn't have fuel and glycol in front of them. Was this protection added after BoB? I didn't notice them talking about it in Bloody Shambles so maybe the protection you spoke of fixed the problemAs far as I know the front gravity tank on the Hurricane MK1 was never made self sealing, and it was attached to the pilots side of the fire proof bulkhead. The glycol header tank was on the engine side of the bulkhead and it was quite flammable. In the Hurricane MK IIs the bulkhead was extended under and around the tank and the tank as made self sealing. Additionally the coolant became a mixture of water/glycol which was far less flammable and then the armour plate was added in front of the glycol tank and it was all capped by the bullet resistant cowling. That's a lot better protection than most WW 2 planes have.
No I wasn't, not on purpose. Are all of them like that? Maybe a moderator can fix them. Didn't know I was doing itNo this text is normal, but the images / screenshots are like 20 point... thought you were doing it for emphasis or something
'm not so sure about that, if the memo RCAF linked is accurate, the test showed that the Hurricane couldn't even outclimb a P-40E, it's definitely going to be left in the dust by a Zero.
That actually depends a lot on the specific subtype, how much fuel they still have and whether they are overboosting. P-40N-1 (used extensively in the CBI) standard climb rate is 3,520' per minute. P-40L initial climb is 3,300 feet per minute. P-40K (also widely used in the CBI) initial climb is listed as 2,000 ' per minute but that is on Military rated power of 1,150 hp - but they were actually rated for up to 1,550 hp at WEP.
The test RCAF mentioned indicates that even a P-40E could outclimb a Hurricane II, possibly also due to WEP level of boost which was rated for up to 1,470 hp (officially).