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MISS ASHLEY II
P51 with Learjet Wings Tail-plane
You might find I posted the Mk21 with Contra-props before 8)
If ayone noticed or cared
BTW: The List is growing Compadre
Here is a rare one for you I saw this weekend
Do please correct me if I'm not up to your level of knowledge, but I am under the belief that "your" earlier posted Mk 21 with contra-props is the same aircraft I have referred to above: ie it is (I believe) a Mk 19. Not a Mk 21. And yes, Comwell, it is good to find an aviation forum where people do notice and care.
Hi Carson, yes .. with a bit of Googling it can be determined that the current contra-prop "Mk 21" is in fact the ex Singapore ex Steve Hinton Mk19 into which he adapted an ex Shackleton Griffon. Flew after that in 2002, I think - and subsequently went to France. Yes - the B/S jibe is a bit tongue-in-cheek ... I absolutely agree that it is a very nice "toy" !
Nice clip of it here ...View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE8oyqJ5K1k
Hi Siznaudin,
thanks for your continued interest and passion in this thread.
Concerning the Spitfire with Griffon engine and contrarotating props as per post #53 it must be a MK.19. The Spitfire of the second picture in colour of the same post is just an expensive toy (I wouldn't say a B/S).
I came to the conclusion of a Mark 19 after looking at dozens of pictures of this very same aircraft
carson1934
Yes Carson, the one in the colour shot is a converted Mk.XIX, however the black and white photo in the same post is an F.21, the XIX never carried guns while this one is clearly sporting 4 20mm cannon.
Here are some more pics to give you a more complete view of the 'Contra-Spits'
Top is a Spitfire IX converted with contra-prop and MkXIV tail, a unique conversion in 1943.
Second is one of very few genuine Mk XIV's converted with contraprops in 1944
Then you have the F.21 and below that an F.22. All genuine contra-prop Spitfires converted by Supermarine for official evaluation.
There never really was a Tempest III beyond the drawing board. LA610 was not merely redesignated Fury, it was redesigned and the components from the partially constructed Tempest III prototype (which was to have been LA610) were used to speed it along, keeping the same reggie. allocating ther name Tempest III to any photo showing a complete aircraft is therefore a fallacy.
Sorry to hog the thread but have ypu got this one Carson? The Tupolev Tu-91
Here's one I haven't seen mentioned Carson. Its the Sud Ouest SO 8000 Narval naval fighter. Apologoes if its been done.
You're welcome Carson.
Regarding LA610.
It was ordered as one of two Tempest prototypes that were to fly as the Tempest III, powered by the Griffon IIB engine and then be converted to the Tempest IV with the Griffon 61. In the event this requirement was dropped and all Tempest work concentrated on the Sabre and Centaurus powered models.
LA610 was then built instead as a Fury prototype (note 'built as', not 'converted into' as some would have it) and during its life it flew with Centaurus, Sabre and Griffon power leading some to call it the 'Tempest III' when pictured fitted with the Griffon 85 and contraprop, which is incorrect. Neither the Griffon 85 nor the contrprop were ever part of the Tempest III/IV effort. The Fury is substantially different, structurally, from the Tempest and when it was powered by the Griffon it was known only as the 'Griffon Fury' and then only unofficially. It was used purely as a trials aircraft with these different installations and when fitted with the Napier Sabre, as pictured below, was the fastest, and probably best looking, piston fighter Hawker ever built.
That would be a 'yes' Carson
BTW are you looking only for aircraft that flew with contraprops or also projects that were meant to have them?
Would you also include the MD-90 and Yak 42 propfan testbeds as these also flew with contra rotating propellors?
Hi Waynos
basically I mean to include in my listing only aircrafts that actually flew with contraprops (no unflown projects or paper planes but yes to mock-ups).
I'll google through today and investigate whether the planes you mentioned are eligible for being included.
Cheers
carson1934